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Mass. woman speaks out after video shows lCE agents smashing car window to get husband
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I can't wait for somebody to exercise their stand-your-ground rights against these kidnapping fascists.
While that may go right or wrong for a few, because people are defending themselves from the murders, the resulting change in tactics accelerates everything and the murders may occur in place.
We are in a very bad place right now in history.
As a wise man once said: Do not obey in advance. Everything you fear the fascists will do if you give them an excuse they'll do anyway. They're not waiting for you to do a Bad Thing before they escalate; they'll escalate whatever you do because their goal is absolute power.
It doesn't matter. The first one through the door is going to deliver a message to the rest. It won't be the message they want to hear.
It would be very unlikely to go well. I remember a case during the BLM protests where police were shooting at a random car, and the person in the car shot back. The police unloaded their clips - surprisingly no one got hurt.
But specifically regarding the law, Stand Your Ground only works if there's an imminent threat to your body (getting arrested doesn't count). Basically, you would have to prove that you believed the ICE agent was going to severely hurt you to justify any severe harm to the agent. I'm not sure if there's many examples of ICE agents doing that
Being sent to a foreign prison without due process is certainly an imminent threat to your body
Hmm, good point. Before, it was probably in your best interest to cooperate since rule of law meant there was at least a chance you'd get your day in court. At this point, people have nothing to lose when ICE approaches them. Might as well go all out and take as many as possible with you.
Legal rights or not, your situation is the biggest, belligerent, militarized, fascist gang wants to either kill you or kill you, and everybody knows this is reality right now. There is no good option here.
100% at least go down swinging
Yeah. There's no always. That will stop them fight. Fight hard. Do not let them do as they wish. Resist
I watched that video and I was terrified. If a group of people stop my car and come at me with sledgehammers then I will assume they mean to do me bodily harm. That's what terrified me most about that video. It's only a matter of time before "ICE" starts straight up killing people.
Not to be that person or anything, but the rule of law is ~~almost~~ dead here in the States. Especially when the current "admin" is ignoring laws to begin with. Stand your ground people, help any who might need it.
Death camp in el salvador or getting shot where you stand. Hmm.
Never go to a second location.
It certainly helps against plainclothes people and hiding their face. You don't know who is an actual officer and who isn't.
I do remember that event for BLM. The police were using paint balls or bb guns for their "riot control" after there was a curfew.
This needs the full on force of armed citizen watchdog groups who escort ICE and hold them off. A whole community that is armed and saying "no, this is my neighbor and you cannot take him." Is going to be the way to stop ICE.
I would love to see the "police free zone" that Portland had during the BLM protests get recreated as "ICE free zones."
Being illegally arrested does count, i think. Especially with the general trend of police brutality occurring in America. That said they don't really care about the law here.
they do that to their own officers who blow whistle on corruption or abuse, they also tend to do that to people they get the wrong address of
Are you sure this was BLM? Are you sure it wasn't star wars? Were these stormtroopers you were watching?
The US army has a hit ratio of about 50%. Cops have about a 30% average. The average stormtrooper probably has better accuracy than the average cop.
It'll be a massacre. If we're lucky, lots of pigs will go down as well, but they have quasi military gear. The ratios aren't in your favor.
Not for nothing but that quasi military gear is pretty widely available. If that's your concern that's all the more reason to arm yourself and to start organizing.