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As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.

The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California's university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.

In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.

"Maybe it's time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump," Newsom said.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

just fucking do it, you asshole.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 6 days ago

CA is the forth largest economy; it would destroy the red state fuckheads if they stopped paying federal taxes. The rest of us follow suit and we defund the motherfuckers stinking up the government.

If you are sending our military against OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE we should not be PAYING FOR IT. My taxes don't go to that fascist bullshit

🖕🤬🖕 Fuck drumpf and every bootlicker that got him (probably illegally) elected

[–] [email protected] 62 points 6 days ago

MOTHERFUCKING DO IT

Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.

Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

California should just leave the US and form its own country.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Been saying that we’re headed for balkanization since the clown won his first term. Not seeing any reason to change that prediction.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 days ago

balkanization

For uninformed people like myself:

Balkanization is the process of a country or region fragmenting into smaller, often hostile units, typically driven by ethnic, cultural, religious, or geopolitical differences. The term originates from the Balkan Peninsula, a region that has experienced significant fragmentation throughout history, and the term is now used more broadly to describe similar processes elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm not looking forward for the chaos preceding the emergence of the next superpower if US balkanization happens.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (5 children)

US balkanization is exactly the chaos preceding the emergence of the next superpower.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Isn't it just China at this point?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Feel free to join Canada my friends.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

One thing that might be misunderstood here is that California not paying taxes wouldn't harm Trump. Trump's goal, made clear from a sum of lots of behaviors, is the destruction of the United States. Defaulting on its debt, zeroing its GDP, destroying the livelihood of its inhabitants, and ultimately killing its war machine, so that they can't fight Putin's army. California's lack of payment may just hasten that goal.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't think Trump is as much of a lackey that's following the plan as he is a useful idiot that's easy to manipulate. I believe that Trump believes that the US is the biggest and the best - it suits the same image he has of himself as the biggest and best leader - but he's so dumb and narcissistic that he won't realize that he's being led on a leash.

I don't think Trump consciously wants to destroy America, I think he wants to make it what he considers to be great (a militarily powerful dictatorship built on worshiping him), but he's absolutely fine with making it weaker in the interim if it either:
A. Makes him gain something
B. Feeds his ego

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't think he is a puppet of Putin. I think he really, really likes money and power, that's it. He does things to further his own grip of the country, thus increasing his power. Or, he does things to increase his wealth. Nothing more. He likes authoritarian leaders because they have more of a hold on their respective countries (a weird form of respect), or because they give him money (or expensive planes).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It might put California on the track to surviving Trump's destruction and becoming a civilized country opposed to Putin, unlike other US states.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

stopping paying taxes is one of the essential elements of a "soft secession", one where the state disintegrates from the federation, but not "all at once", but "step by step".

Maybe it was Trump's plan after all to cause a number of states to secede? After all, GOP has talked about Texas' secession for a while, iirc?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

His plan to lose his most valuable states? Probably not. He’s just an idiot out of control.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

Project 2025 shows that the Republicans have at least one person with the ability to plan long term strategy.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago (7 children)

New Californian Republic 2027?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just join Canada. If you are willing to consider you aren't the center of the world, you are welcome.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No they're too big, instantly doubling the population wouldn't go well. At most a Euro style partnership if a few more western states broke off.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So private prison giant GEO group Donates heavily to Trump‘s campaign. Trump has ice indiscriminately pick people up for “deportation“ where they are sent to prisons run by GEO group. Concerned citizens protest ICE actions in California. Trump illegally deploys national guard without the consent of California's government to attack law abiding citizens in California. Gavin Newsome, Liberal democrat and defender of capitalism, uses legal tactics to fight back against illegal activities. To me this act rings hollow. Please someone tell me what I am missing, because I would love to have a glimmer of hope these days.

[–] WolfLink 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I’m not sure how legal it is for CA to stop paying taxes. At the very least, it’s an attempt to attack where it hurts, which is in the money.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Calexit is becoming less and less of a meme every day.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

I'd be so God damn happy if we left this shithole nation. And opened up for refugees of the failed state of America.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Trump does not give one rat fuck of an ass about the law. Why the fuck should anyone do anything for the federal government and pay taxes at this point?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Technically trump's presidency is illegal. But here we are.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Frankly I’d be surprised if anyone even does their taxes in this next cycle. Give dumpster nothing. Cut him off. Let congress figure out how their gonna pay the military and ICE and golf with their own dime to keep this shit up.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Most people have their federal tax withheld by their employers and do their taxes in order to get back their overpayment. Are we all going to not do our taxes and leave that overpayment in the government's coffers? Are employers going to stop doing the withholding? Neither scenario is very likely.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Go to HR. Ask for a W-4, change withholding to $0.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

For people like me who have some savings and investments but don't want to run afoul of the law - Just take a couple years off. I'm working part time to cover my cost of living, and I'm not investing. So minimizing what I pay in income tax and taxes on dividends.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Cross posted to BoycottUnitedStates @ europe.pub

Hey, now we're even boycotting ourselves!

...

More seriously:

Welp, I don't see another option than lie down and roll over, but also, if Newsom actually does it, this will basically cause a civil war... or at best a 'Russia is pacifying Chechen terrorists' kind of situation.

Hope everyone has their popcorn / bugout bags ready.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

This would be madlad behaviour if it actually happens

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

If just New York and California did this, it would cripple some red states

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

The guys that are currently restoring confederate monuments would perform a takeover of the state by the federal government. US states no longer share core values, sometimes very hypocritically so.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If the military was being deployed before for so little reason then hold on to your butts, the entire US military will be thrown in to the mix and California will be treated as an occupied state in no time if they touch the money.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Doubt they'll be paying much taxes if everyone is a prisoner in their own homes

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm of the opinion that California, Oregon, and Washington should succeed and join Canada. Hell, New York and Massachusetts too if I'm indulging in this fantasy scenario.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Trumptard is really really really really trying to start a civil war. Amazing :/

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