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Not if the people examining my documents are morons, no.
I have a birth certificate, I have a passport and a passport card. None of that is a defense against "It's fake".
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/24/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id
Pretty much. The fact is that ICE does stuff like beat up and arrest a state-level union president because they don't like the color of his skin.
Don't call it an arrest.
It's detainment. Kidnapping even. But an arrest has certain procedures and requirements that are not being followed by ICE.
So does detainment. The fact that they are not following the procedures and requirements makes it an unlawful arrest or, as you correctly pointed out, kidnapping.
Another thing to consider is the recording of a ICE kidnapping where the person said they were a natural born citizen, when asked for proof they didn't have their birth certificate on them... While in the car.. driving to work.
The white paper birth certificate... That in my case is over 50 years old, and embossed with a stamp the clerks office likely got at the local trophy shop. That's it.
Drivers license including the Real ID ones don't count it seems.
So, yes. It's being used to indiscriminately arrest who they want like the Stasi fucks they are.
Insane that the Real ID ones won't count when you need a brith certificate to get one.
Let's see the citizenship proof of every ICE agent.
I’ve been thinking about getting a passport card just to have a proof of citizenship in my wallet at all times.
They picked up at least once citizen who had his passport card on him and put him in detention anyway, saying the card was fake. Which is why due process for everyone is important, because otherwise you'd never get the opportunity to prove you're really a citizen.
Passport cards should be trivially easy for government officials to validate, if they care to. Border agents can, after all. Simply confiscating them and saying "they're fake" shows they don't care whether it is fake or not.
If you have any melanin at all, you should carry your passport card with you at all times, but also keep your full passport at home, in a location that your family and/or trusted friends know about, so they can produce it when ICE comes for you and confiscates your passport card.
if they care to
ICE doesn't care if your skin is too dark, or your name sounds vaguely Arabic or Spanish.
Or if you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time, especially when they need to make a quota.
Its your word and evidence against the word and ignorance and willingness to kick you out of a racist asshole.
It's like proving to a Nazi, you don't have Jewish ancestry in 1938.
So many things wrong with this headline.
There is an important and subtle distinction to be made here. A lot of noise is made calling people who are here without authorization "illegals", but that's not always true. Being present in the country without authorization is not automatically a criminal matter. It is true that many of the avenues for being here without authorization (crossing illegally, overstaying a visa) also violate the law, but that is handled as a separate matter.
Since immigration status is mostly a civil matter, ot a criminal one, these immigration courts are not under the Judicial Branch, like criminal courts are. They are actually "administrative courts" which are part of the Department of Justice, under the President, just like ICE is.
So while the courts occasionally provide a check on this Predident's power, the immigration courts never will. They ultimately report to the President through the DoJ, and the President has much more direct influence over it. So it doesn't surprise me that these people are stuck in a Kafkaesque hell, where ICE ignore their pleas that they are citizens and says "tell it to the judge", and when they finally get to the judge they get ignored.
Is it any wonder that Trump was so dead set against the immigration bill last year? He needed the process to stay chaotic, in order to have a better chance of winning.
Republican leadership has been calling non-citizens here legally under temporary protected status illegals as well. Same holds true for other asylum seekers that followed the legal process. Facts and laws that stand in opposition to their goals are ignored by the republicans in charge and their supporters.
It's getting to the point very soon that the only way you stop this, is armed community resistance.
No warrant, no entry. The only way you stop the abuse of power, is by confronting it with more power.
They are bullies, they are not brave.
No, that's now. Look at what happened yesterday in L.A., for instance.
What happened?
Only people acting in good-faith care about your "proof"
not if someone expects me to produce documents randomly on the sidewalk.
Good luck once locked up without the right to an attorney
Without due process they can just take your documents and poof! What documents?
This does beg the question in my mind: If a person is wrongfully determined to be an illegal immigrant despite only having US citizenship, and is actually deported to some country ICE convinces themselves that person is from rather than "deporting" them to some prison in an unrelated country like El Salvador, they would presumably be in that other country illegally at that point. Would they be liable to be deported back to the US in such a case, by the government of that country?
The other country has to be willing to receive them. In this case, the US would probably not.
But countries like El Salvador are being paid by the US to take these people, so they don't really care about the facts, they just want the money.
In that case, do countries usually just take other countries at their word that anyone accused of being an illegal immigrant from that place is actually from where theyre accused of being from, or does the US have to, if it is trying to deport someone somewhere with a reasonably functional government, give that country some kind of evidence that theyre sending them one of their citizens before they agree to take them? For that matter, what happens if a country just stuffs someone on a plane going to another country without the consent of the country in question?
Each country sets their own laws, so it's ultimately up to the destination country. When an ordinary citizen visits another country, they have to meet requirements for entry, but countries can negotiate any terms their government allows them to. So as long as the US government works out terms with the other country in aadvance, they can send anyone.
The US government does have an advantage other countries lack: we have military bases all over the world, including a lot of "shithole countries". There are separate agreements negotiated over the use of that land, but I bet that the US can send whoever they want there without declaring to fhe local authorities who they are. Then the US can "conveniently" lose track of them and.... poof! No more undesirables....
Prove you're not a camel. Props to Timothy Snyder for calling that one.
I fully agree with the comments criticizing the ICE and proof of citizenship. The shitty part, the judicial branch is not arresting nor penalizing the business owners hiring illegal labor and a lot of those fuckers voted for this shit.
Watson says that, looking back, he’s not confident that the damage long-term imprisonment did to his mind and body was worth it to remain in the country. “As lovely as America sounds, it’s not everything. It’s okay to start back over and live your life, because sometimes you’re gonna sit there for a long time if you’re fighting,” he says. His advice to other citizens in ICE detention is to remain open to giving up, if deportation means getting out of jail
Only do that if you know you'll actually be deported - rather than imprisoned offshore.
Proving you're a citizen or not is irrelevant since ICE are not enforcing immigration law they're conducting an ethnic cleansing campaign.
Man, I can't wait for them to try to grab someone with concealed carry.
They're wearing body armor. Dude with a concealed gun likely ends up dead, and ICE gets no charges because they were afraid.
Friendly reminder: suspending habeas corpus for illegal immigrants means that you have NO LEGAL RECOURSE WHATSOEVER if ICE wrongly detains you.
You cannot in any way prove in a court of law that you are not an illegal immigrant if you have no right to have your detention as an illegal immigrant challenged in court.
It DOES NOT MATTER if you have great evidence that you're not an illegal immigrant if illegal immigrants lose their right to trial. It means NOTHING because you then immediately lose your right to legal defence as soon as ICE detans you.
The number of blithely staunch fascists in that article’s comment section is nauseating.
Welcome to America
Well, for me personally, all they would need to do is run my finger prints as my prints have been in the system since I was in highschool for employment background checks.
However, that would assume that the thugs were competent and acting in good faith, which they are not.