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[–] [email protected] 108 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Having been burned many times in the past, I won't even trust 40 GB to a Seagate drive let alone 40 TB.

Even in enterprise arrays where they're basically disposable when they fail, I'm still wary of them.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Still, it's a good thing if it means energy savings at data centers.

For home and SMB use there's already a notable absence of backup and archival technologies to match available storage capacities. Developing one without the other seems short sighted.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I still wonder, what's stopping vendors from producing "chonk store" devices. Slow, but reliable bulk storage SSDs.

Just in terms of physical space, you could easily fit 200 micro SD cards in a 2.5" drive, have everything replicated five times and end up with a reasonably reliable device (extremely simplified, I know).

I just want something for luke-warm storage that didn't require a datacenter and/or 500W continuous power draw.

[–] aBundleOfFerrets 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cost. The speed of flash storage is an inherent quality and not something manufacturers are selecting for typically. I assure you if they knew how to make some sort of Super MLC they absolutely would.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

It's not inherent in terms of "more store=more fast".

You could absolutely take older, more established production nodes to produce higher quality, longer lasting flash storage. The limitation hardly ever is space, but heat. So putting that kind of flash storage, with intentionally slowed down controllers, into regular 2.5 or even 3.5" form factors should be possible.

Cost could be an issue because the market isn't seen as very large.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

My first seagate HD started clicking as I was moving data to it from my older drive just after I purchased it. This was way back in the 00s. In a panic, I started moving data back to my older hd (because I was moving jnstead of copying) and then THAT one started having issues also.

Turns out when I overclocked my CPU I had forgotten to lock the PCI bus, which resulted in an effective overclock of the HDD interfaces. It was ok until I tried moving mass amounts of data and the HDD tried to keep up instead of letting the buffer fill up and making the OS wait.

I reversed the OC and despite the HDDs getting so close to failure, both of them lasted for years after that without further issue.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Same here. Been burned by SSD's too though - a Samsung Evo Pro drive crapped out on me just months after buying it. Was under warranty and replaced at no cost, but I still lost all my data and config/settings.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

Any disk can and will fail at some point in time. Backup is your best friend. Some sort of disk redundancy is your second best friend.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I feel the exact same about WD drives and I'm quite happy since I switched to Seagate.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Don’t look at Backblaze drive reports then. WD is pretty much all good, Seagate has some good models that are comparable to WD, but they have some absolutely unforgivable ones as well.

Not every Seagate drive is bad, but nearly every chronically unreliable drive in their reports is a Seagate.

Personally, I’ve managed hundreds of drives in the last couple of decades. I won’t touch Seagate anymore due to their inconsistent reliability from model to model (and when it’s bad, it’s bad).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Don’t look at Backblaze drive reports then

I have.

But after personally having suffered 4 complete disk failures of WD drives in less then 3 years, it's really more like a "fool me once" situation.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

So all the other hard drives will be cheaper now, right? Right?

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 weeks ago

That's pretty impressive a couple of those and you could probably download the next Call Of Duty.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Incoming 1Tb videogames. Compression? Who the fuck needs compression.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (12 children)

Black ops 6 just demanded another 45 GB for an update on my PS5, when the game is already 200 GB. AAA devs are making me look more into small indie games that don’t eat the whole hard drive to spend my money on, great job folks.

E) meant to say instead of buying a bigger hard drive I’ll support a small dev instead.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is absolutely egregious. 200GB game with a 45GB update? You'd be lucky to see me installing a game that's around 20-30GB max anymore because I consider that to be the most acceptable amount of bloat for a game anymore.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Oh, they'll do compression alright, they'll ship every asset in a dozen resolutions with different lossy compression algos so they don't need to spend dev time actually handling model and texture downscaling properly. And games will still run like crap because reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why in the world does this seem to use an inaccurate depiction of the Xbox Series X expansion card for its thumbnail?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

This picture: brought to you by some bullshit AI

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

CAN WE PLEASE JUST GET 3.5" SSDS. PLEASE

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Best I can do is a 3.5'' inch SATA to USB adapter case with one of these tiny SSDs glued in

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Aren't a lot of the 2.5" ones already empty space?

How big, and how expensive, would a 3.5" SSD be, if it actually filled enough of the space with NAND chips for the form factor to be warranted?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I know right. Why is this not a thing already? I mean I understand the various U.2, U.3, and EDSFF are great for high density data center installs. We have a 1U box in production that could be as high as 1 PB given current densities with E1.L drives but that’s enterprise level stuff. I just want a huge 3.5 SSD I could put in these pro-consumer level NAS boxes or maybe even one I could build myself for my home lab.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’ll finally have enough space for my meme screenshots.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Or the 8k photos of vacation dinners.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh wow does it come with glowing green computery looking stuff like in the picture

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

I do like that the picture on an article about a 40 TB drive is clearly labelled as 1 TB. Like couldn't they have edited the image?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

If you aren't running a home server with tons of storage, this product is not for you. If the price is right, 40TB to 50TB is a great upgrade path for massive storage capacity without having to either buy a whole new backplane to support more drives or build an entirely new server. I see a lot of comments comparing 4TB SSDS to 40TB HDD's so had to chime in. Yes, they make massive SSD storage arrays too, but a lot of us don't have those really deep pockets.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

I know people love to dunk on Seagate drives, but it was really just the one gen that was the cause of that bad rep. Before that the most hated drives were the "deathstars" (Deskstars). I have a 1TB Seagate drive that is 10 years old and still in use daily. Just do some research on which drive to buy, no OEM is sacrosanct. I'd personally wait 6 months to a year before buying one of these drives though, so enough people have time to find out if this generation is trouble or not.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Many people can't accept that one drive model isn't going to kill a company or make everything from them bad.

The exception being the palladium drive. Although its not directly attributed to the fall of JTS, who at the time owned Atari. Its was clear from the frontline techs these things were absolute shit. The irony is that 1 out of say 10,000 was perfect. So much so I still have one of the 1.2 gig's that still spins up and reads and writes fine. Its nearly a unicorn though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok5JTwpv5go

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[–] gravitas_deficiency 17 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Imagine how long it’ll take to rebuild your raid array after one fails lol

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i remember bragging when my computer had 40gb storage

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I bought my first HDD second hand. It was advertised as 40MB. But it was 120MB. How happy was young me?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

If EA or Ubisoft don't get their shit together this won't be enough.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

i can finally seed every spn season

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Imagine losing a 50tb drive because you choose to use Seagate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Seagate Exos is usually ok. Their generic stuff, is sometimes crap, but that's true of all manufacturers, really.

That being said, I'd be nervous with a single huge drive, no matter where it's from. And even as part of a redundant structure, the rebuild times would be through the roof.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

thats a lot of ~~porn~~ high quality videos

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Wow great. From seagate. The company that produces drives with the by far lowest life expectancy compared to the competiton

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

If 50TB is coming fast, then so am I

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Hey! You! Get offa the Cloud (and grab yourself one of those drives). You can keep your thoughts to yourself, now you can keep your data to yourself, like in the recent old times.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I deal with large data chunks and 40TB drives are an interesting idea.... until you consider one failing

raids and arrays for these large data sets still makes more sense then all the eggs in smaller baskets

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

You'd still put the 40TB drives in a raid? But eventually you'll be limited by the number of bays, so larger size is better.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

They're also ignoring how many times this conversation has been had...

We never stopped raid at any other increase in drive density, there's no reason to pick this as the time to stop.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The main issue I see is that the gulf between capacity and transfer speed is now so vast with mechanical drives that restoring the array after drive failure and replacement is unreasonably long. I feel like you'd need at least two parity drives, not just one, because letting the array be in a degraded state for multiple days while waiting for the data to finish copying back over would be an unacceptable risk.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

No thanks. I'd rather have 4TB SSDs that cost $100. We were getting close to that in 2023, but then the memory manufacturers decided to collude and jacked up prices.

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