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Vice President Vance on Friday chided European leaders for their criticism of Elon Musk wading into their elections, comparing Musk’s actions to Swedish activist Greta Thunberg urging American leaders to take action on climate change.

“I believe that dismissing people, dismissing their concerns, or worse yet, shutting down media, shutting down elections or shutting people out of the political process protects nothing. In fact, it is the most surefire way to destroy democracy,” Vance said.

“And speaking up and expressing opinions isn’t election interference, even when people express views outside your own country, and even when those people are very influential,” he continued. “And trust me, I say this with all humor: If American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunberg’s scolding, you guys can survive a few months of Elon Musk.”

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This is a brain dead comparison, Musk's influence is highly destructive to democracy, while Greta's influence is only advocating for a global shift to protect the future of the planet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

He's mustering anger from his brain dead base. His words aren't meant for the rest of us. He needs to distract the Maga crowd from the damage Elon is actually doing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

It’s also braindead because on the one hand you have the richest man in the world backed by the most powerful man in the world. And on the other you have pretty much a very popular influencer.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Question, what has Greta Thunberg done? Afaik, she's only protested and post on social media.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

She's a woman who speaks without being spoken to

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

The audacity

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

How dare she!

[–] [email protected] 70 points 4 days ago

ahh yes Greta famously known to spend a fraction of a billion to influence elections.

[–] lka1988 173 points 5 days ago (9 children)

How is that even close to the same thing? Greta pleaded with the people to think about their children's future (and actively partakes in protests and demonstrations all over), while Elon is only looking to enrich himself.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's not the same at all, but it sounds clever, so the base will suck it up and repeat it.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't sound clever unless you grew up eating paint chips

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Conveniently, the paint chip eaters are running the show right now!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Even worse. The paint chip eaters voted their manufacturers into office.

[–] QuantumSparkles 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Okay but putting all morals, ethics, character, and opinions aside, looking at it completely objectively… its still completely different because we never put her in government offices and allowed her to make decisions for the entire country

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, but have you considered it from this angle? Elon Musk is a white straight extremely wealthy dude. Those are some strong qualifications right there.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago

She also asked that people do things that she specially could not do due to having no authority to enact policy, whereas Musk is interacting directly with levers of power (whether he has any legitimate/legal authority to do so).

[–] xmunk 13 points 4 days ago

False equivalency is a celebrated fascist pastime.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Greta snubbed Trump, Elon didn't, so it's obvious why Vance considers the one as evil, the other as a saint.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Europe didn't have to survive with Thunberg, she wasn't in the government and had no decision making authority.

[–] Corkyskog 21 points 4 days ago

Which is a shame...

[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Greta Thunberg, famously in charge of... ?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

...pissing off climate deniers.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

while being a young neurodivergent woman

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Right. Honestly, I'm so impressed with her being able to get inside these assholes' heads since she was 16.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hilarious that a teenage girl once terrified the upper echelons of right-wing politicians.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

Still does.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah, how do you compare a 16yo (or however old she is now) girl with no political office to the president of the United States?

I guess we can hope Trump ends up being as ineffective as she's unfortunately been (I also noticed she's been invisible in the mainstream media as soon as she started talking about Palestine. Same with Malala.).

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Funny how we don't see much of her anymore. Does it has anything to do with the fact that she publicly made the link between Capitalism, colonialism and the climate crisis ?
I guess we'll never know !

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

she got arrested again for being pro-palestinian.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Continuing to be based as hell.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I : have ? No ; Idea << what you >> mean !

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

They play the victim card so hard.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

If I was American I'd be so embarrassed

[–] meowmeowbeanz 15 points 3 days ago

The Hill’s piece on Musk and Vance’s Euro-tour reads like a corporate carnival masquerading as diplomacy. Tech oligarchs playing statesmen while defense contracts and AI patents get shuffled under the table. Ukraine’s “security” is just a euphemism for profit margins, and energy “innovation” means privatizing public infrastructure until it’s another subscription service.

Musk’s private sector savior complex hits different when you realize it’s just a hedge against taxes. Vance whining about EU regulations? Classic regulatory capture—can’t let pesky consumer protections interfere with monopolizing the digital commons. Algorithmic colonialism wrapped in venture capital buzzwords. But sure, let’s pretend this is about “progress” and not entrenching power where accountability algorithms can’t reach.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 days ago (2 children)

One person with no power vs one person with all the power.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

This is a key difference.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Interesting how he said elon musk and not donald trump.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago

“I believe that dismissing people, dismissing their concerns, or worse yet, shutting down media, shutting down elections or shutting people out of the political process protects nothing. In fact, it is the most surefire way to destroy democracy,” Vance said.

The jokes write themselves these days.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago

How fragile are these men? My God.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Bad headline: I already hoped they'd deport Musk to Europe, so we could have physical access... :(

Getting back real, Vance:

  • came without a credible peace plan

  • read moralistic bullcrap about how it's good to have your elections bought and manipulated (in the Romanian case where the court told to hold new elections - thousands of TikTok influencers and an unknown quantity of other actors working for a candidate who declared zero campaign expense).

  • proposed to Zelensky that Ukraine give up 50% of its natural resources for US support (Zelensky politely refused)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago

Knowing how the right has characterized Greta, comparing them like this is a huge insult against Musk from Couch Fucker Vance

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago

Yes, because a foreign climate activist trying to appeal to politician for a cleaner future is the same as an apartheid billionaire funding and endorsing a fascist party to get them elected.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What the fuck does that statement even mean

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Bullshitting is a profession.

These are professional bullshitters.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Man, a president Vance would really suck. He's coherent...crazy, but he can maintain a thought long enough to finish a sentence.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

I'm sure Europe would survive a few months of Musk, but I'm not so sure about America.

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