DVI is the Gen X of video connectors
this post was submitted on 13 Feb 2025
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Where do my boys Component and S-Video end up?
in my box of cables, for one!
Me: eagerly digs through a box of old AV cables to see if he has a GameCube component cable
Me only finding SVideo: ☹️
The good news is that you can get third party ones now. The better news is that you can get fully digital hdmi adapters that output over hdmi with not analog conversion in the middle.
S-Video is second from the left.
What did those poor cables do to you to get the Liam Neeson treatment?
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My monitors only have DVI and VGA inputs. I've had to get adapters to use them with more modern equipment.
I've got no reason to replace them. They're perfectly fine monitors. I've had them for over a decade, and I still like them a lot.
I mean, it could... but if you run the math on a 4k vs an 8k monitor, you'll find that for most common monitor and tv sizes, and the distance you're sitting from them...
It basically doesn't actually make any literally perceptible difference.
Human eyes have ... the equivalent of a maximum resolution, a maximum angular resolution.
You'd have to have literally superhuman vision to be able to notice a difference in almost all space scenarios that don't involve you owning a penthouse or mansion, it really only makes sense if you literally have a TV the size of an entire wall of a studio apartment, or use it for like a Tokyo / Times Square style giant building wall advertisement, or completely replace projection theatres with gigantic active screens.
This doesn't have 8k on it, but basically, buying an 8k monitor that you use at a desk is literally completely pointless unless your face is less than a foot away from it, and it only makes sense for like a TV in a living room if said TV is ... like ... 15+ feet wide, 7+ feet tall.
Yes. This. Resolution is already high enough for everything, expect maybe wearables (i.e. VR goggles).
HDMI 2.1 can already handle 8k 10-bit color at 60Hz and 2.2 can do 240Hz.
That graph is fascinating, thank you!
I don't think it's correct though.
The graph suggests that you should be looking at a 65-inch screen from a distance of 120 cm for resolutions above 4k to be worth it. I interpret that as the distance at which the screen-door effect becomes visible, so this seems awfully close actually.
A 65-inch screen has a width of 144 cm, which gives you a 100 degree angle of vision from the left edge to the right edge of the screen. Divide the approximate horizontal resolution of 4000 pixels by 100 and you get an angular pixel density of 40 PPD (Pixels Per Degree).
However for the pixel gaps to become too small to be seen or in other words for the screen-door effect to disappear, you need an angular pixel density of 60 PPD. That means you can sit at a more reasonable distance of 220 cm in front of a 65-inch screen for resolutions above 4k to be worth it.
This is still too close for comfort though, given that the resulting horizontal angle of vision is 66 degrees. The THX cinema standard recommends a horizontal viewing angle of 40 degrees.
So multiply 40 degrees by 60 pixels per degree to get a horizontal resolution of 2400 pixels. That means the perfect resolution for TVs is actually QHD.
There's obviously truth to there being diminishing returns, but this chart is garbage.
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Remember DVI?
Hell, remember dot-matrix printer terminals?
Remember it? I work on PCs with DVI connected monitors every day.
Hell, I still use VGA for my work computer. I have the display port connected to the gaming laptop, and VGA connected to the work CPU. (My monitors are old, and I don't care)
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Remember? I still use it for my second monitor. My first interaction with DVI was also on that monitor, probably 10-15 years ago at this point. Going from VGA to DVI-D made everything much clearer and sharper. I keep using this setup because the monitor has a great stand and doesn't take up much space with its 4:3 aspect ratio. 1280x1024 is honestly fine for having voice chat, Spotify, or some documentation open.
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My monitor is 16 years old (1080p and that's enough for me), I can use dvi or HDMI. The HDMI input is not great when using a computer with that specific model.
So I've been using DVI for 16 years.
VGA and DVI honestly were both killed off way too soon. Both will perfectly drive a 1080p 60fps display and honestly the only reason to use HDMI or Displayport with such a display is if that matches your graphics output
The biggest shame is that DVI didn't take off with its dual monitor features or USB features. Seriously there was a DVI Dual Link with USB spec so you could legitimately use a single cable with screws to prevent accidental disconnects to connect your computer to all of your office peripherals, but instead we had to wait for Thunderbolt to recreate those features but worse and more likely to drop out
DVI -- sure, but if you think 1080p over VGI looks perfect you should probably get your eyes checked.
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The year is 2045. My grandson runs up to me with a handful of black cords
"Poppy, you know computers, right? I need to connect my Jongo 64k display, but it has CFONG-K6 port, and my Pimble box only has a Holoweave port, have you got an adapter?"
Sadly I sift through the strange cords without a shred of recognition. Truly my time on this mortal coil is coming to a wrap
Don't worry, maybe they misjudged the size of the asteroid and 2032 is it.
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The meaning of high Res wasn't changed though also VGA was able to output Full HD as well.
My old 19" CRT monitors could do QXGA [2048x1536] (or maybe even QSXGA [2560x2048], though I think I skipped that setting because it made the text too small in an era before DPI-independent GUIs) through their VGA connections, which is more than "Full HD."
When I switched to flat-panel displays close to two decades ago it was a downgrade in resolution, which I only made up for less than a year ago when I finally upgraded my 1080p LCDs to 1440p ones.
But no sound, that was one of the advantages of hdmi over vga
Wait, how is losing my independent speakers and having an audio setup not instantly compatible with my CD player, VCR, and my Victrola an upgrade?
You arent losing that unless you throw away all your cords. For most cases, less cords for same result is good.
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VGA was just analog, it wasn't because the resolutions supported weren't HD.
100% right. I know it can handle 1920x1080 @ 60hz and it can handle up to 2048x1536
It can handle way more than that can't it? It's analogue, I remember being able to set my crt to 120hz way back in the day.
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It already happened to them multiple times that's why we are on HDMI 2.2 which can go up to:
7680 × 4320 @ 60FPS
HDMI 1.0 could only reach:
1920 x 1080 @ 60FPS
The only reason it still works is because they keep changing the specifications.
And I think I can confidently say we will never need more than 8K since we are reaching the physical limits of the human eye or at the very least it will never be considered low resolution.
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VGA should have released VGA2.1 that is what all the cool display cables do
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I don't think you'll need much more than 8k 144hz. Your eyes just can't see that much. Maybe the connector will eventually get smaller, such as USBC?
USB-C is already a plug standard for display port over thunderbolt. Apple monitors use this to daisy chain monitors together.
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Kinda already happening with usbc
USB-C uses the DisplayPort protocol in many cases.
Yeah but in the context of physical connector that doesn't matter, you can really run almost all protocols over almost any connector if you want to (no bitrate guarantees)
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