Commercial and mining activities on the moon are infinitely better than anywhere on Earth.
There's no life on the Moon, there's no environments to be destroyed, species to be displaced, no atmosphere or oceans to pollute, etc.
If we're going to insist on continued industrialization it would be best to put it somewhere it's not poisoning the environment, like the moon.
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The headline is misleading, it doesn't appear that they want to "protect" the whole entire Moon. They're just concerned about sites of particular historical importance like the Apollo moon landings, and the artifacts at those locations.
so safe...
The only argument I can make against it is that it might change how the moon looks from Earth if it's all covered in smog and smoke and shit. 🤷🏻♂️
Without an atmosphere, how can you have smog and smoke?
Not having an atmosphere doesn't mean that gases and particles will simply vanish. The moon just doesn't have enough of a gravitational pull to keep them around for long.
You’re describing the act of something vanishing to be honest though.
The moon doesn’t have enough gravity to hold an atmosphere, it’ll always vanish.
Over time yes. But not instantaneous. So depending on the amount, it is possible to have smog on the moon.
Yes in the same way you can “survive” in the vacuum of space. The moon doesn’t have the gravity potential to hold an atmosphere, so while smog may “appear” it’s be gone just like the person who was alive in the vacuum of space for a few minutes as well.
But that doesn’t mean people can and should claim People can live in the vacuum of space now does it?
I really don't understand what you are trying to say here. Yes, the process of diffusion is faster on the moon, but even on earth every second lighter parts of the atmosphere escapes into space (and heavier particles that pass by are attracted by gravity).
It’s not faster on the moon, there’s no restriction because of the lack of atmosphere.
You need gravity for an atmosphere, and you need an atmosphere to hold other particles. Without both, you CANT have “smog”.
Edit, your line of reasoning isn’t that you think it’s possible to terraform the moon or something is it?
But the moon has its own gravity field. Just not enough to keep a permanent atmosphere. Also, not having an atmosphere doesn't mean the space above the surface is devoid of matter. In fact, even in interstellar space, you can find particles. And an atmosphere is not something that's holding particles in. An atmosphere is made up of particles in a dense field gravitationally bound to a celestial body.
Not enough to keep ANY atmosphere. This is the part you are hung up on apparently.
Yes nebulae are visible because they are particles spread usually METERS apart, that’s only visible as a cloud THOUSANDS of light years away. If you were in the center of the nebulae it would be invisible from that perspective. Like being on earth and looking at the moon, there wouldn’t be enough density of particles to say, hey there’s “smog” there. Because the particles float away freely, unlike on earth. And they are also helped carried away by solar winds too. Which you know the atmosphere helps prevent on earth on other planetary bodies….
No, I am totally not. You are hung up on the part where you think that for something resembling smoke to exist, an atmosphere is necessary. Have you never seen RCS thruster being fired in zero gravity?
Yes, there won't be fields of funnels causing smoke clouds that block the view from Earth. But exhaust products being expelled into the vacuum causing measurable dimming effects? Certainly at some point.
…. A particle ejected VS Smog… don’t you notice how engines don’t produce smoke in space…? That’s the comparison you should be making.
Using an RCS on earth would look the exact same, other than particles would stick around instead of as you can plainly see in the video, its bursts are IMMEDIATELY gone.
You’re comparing an apple to a piece of steel now, they’re totally different situations and particles.
If we're doing stuff to pump things into the surrounding area on the surface, eventually it would have an atmosphere. That's literally how we plan to terraform Mars.
The moon doesn’t have sufficient gravity to maintain an atmosphere. Any smog will float out into space, like helium on earth.
There is an atmosphere on the moon. It is very thin but it does exist. Gasses will mostly escape, but particulate (smoke, soot, dust, the components of smog that aren’t the fog part) may hang around for a while before settling to the surface.
The second second contradicts every trying you’ve stated in your comment.
For most practical purposes, the Moon is considered to be surrounded by vacuum
Start on the dark side.
Whatever. Fuck the Moon. Even the guy who went there hates it.
As a Nazi puncher, he has excellent taste. Maybe I should yell at the moon?
Hey Buzz doesn’t hate the moon, he just demands it know its place.
Save time and just list Humanity as a threat to everything.
The WMF highlights concerns about looting and damage to artefacts from Apollo missions, such as Neil Armstrong’s footprints and objects left on the moon.
The British Museum be like 😍
That's nice can we get some protection for anything here on earth? Don't give a fuck about some moon shit there's no one there. Call me when they find dudes living on the moon, then I'll fuckin care
The list being added to already covered Earthbound locations.
technically its not a world monument if its not on this world...
Gonna have to change it from "world wonders" to "solar system wonders."