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After receiving the text for the ad quoted above, a representative from the advertising team suggested AFSC use the word “war” instead of “genocide” – a word with an entirely different meaning both colloquially and under international law. When AFSC rejected this approach, the New York Times Ad Acceptability Team sent an email that read in part: “Various international bodies, human rights organizations, and governments have differing views on the situation. In line with our commitment to factual accuracy and adherence to legal standards, we must ensure that all advertising content complies with these widely applied definitions.”

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago

Those violent quakers making trouble again...

[–] Bakkoda 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

pihole -b *.nytimes.com

Done

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They already have a subscription fee charge to access their crappy journalism lol.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

They already have a subscription fee

FYI for anyone who cares:

[–] [email protected] 23 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Liberal newspaper never disappoint in aiding fascism.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Genocide is just too strong of a word. They are just disagreeing by murdering all their population. You see, it is just a disagreement.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Genocide is only genocide if it comes from the genocide region of france. Otherwise it’s just a sparkling massacre.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Wow, that was a good one!

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 day ago (8 children)

My goofy ass thought it meant the oatmeal guys

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Wilford Brimley once upvoted a video parody I made involving him and it made me so happy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That’s high praise, honestly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Absolutely agreed.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't think there's anything "goofy ass" about that. Quaker Oats Company was explicitly named (and used a logo) to cause people to make that mistake.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago

And funny enough, they're on the boycott list

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

It's not intentionally deceptive, they literally called it that because one of the founders admired the Quakers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

qualities describing Quakers, such as integrity, honesty, and purity, were traits that he wanted customers to associate with the company's product

I dunno how else to describe that but intentionally deceptive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

I dunno how else to describe that but intentionally deceptive.

Yeah, it IS part of marketing after all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

I mean, they wanted to cash in on the positive reputations Quakers had in business. While not being Quaker. And not implementing any of their business practices AFAIK. Plus their logo is of a traditional Puritan and has nothing to do with Quakers.

I think “deceptive” is a fair word.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Which is especially disheartening because Quakers are some of the most truly liberal and loving Christians you can find. The fact that they're willing to call this a genocide evidence of that, and unsurprising since their interpretation of the bible is 100% strict non-violence to where they can't legally be drafted into the military due to their beliefs. Some of the most truly leftist Christians you'll find.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Some of the most truly leftist Christians you’ll find.

As long as you don't remember that Nixon was a Quaker.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

There are also multiple branches of Quakerism. I greatly appreciate the person above speaking about it because they truly covered the way the Quaker meetings I was raised in are and the kinds of people I have spent so much of my life around.

However, there are other branches that don’t deserve the same praise. There are evangelical Quakers and while they aren’t as bad as what that word usually implies, they also aren’t exactly deserving of the description above. Nixon was born into one of the evangelical Quaker branches.

Source: grew up Quaker. Literally have a minor degree in Quaker studies, lol. (It’s been a while and I’m not active in any meetings or organizations these days, but I’ll always be grateful for the values it instilled in me and the community I found from it.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

There's a difference between being born into a religion and being a member in good standing.

Nixon cussed and drank and ordered women and children to be murdered en mass.

These are not the ideals of a Quacker.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

AFSC is the American Friends Service Committee.

So, a little to unpack here. "Quaker" is the common name for what is more formally known as The Religious Society of Friends. Thus American Friends Service Committee.

Yes, the same Quakers from our history books. Actually to this day genuinely quality people and one of the few Christian groups I tend to have a decent amount of respect for.

I don't know if I got memory holed or what, but I have a distinct memory during the Iraq War of a group of Quakers in kayaks blockading some US warships from leaving port to go to war and that was the pretense that Bush wanted to use to charge these non-violent Quaker anti-war protestors with terrorism charges. It's been a while and I've not been able to dig up a link but I swear it happened, I can find ACLU documents mentioning the Bush admin targeting Quakers, but that's about it. Interestingly enough, it included surveillance of this exact organization.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-report-shows-widespread-pentagon-surveillance-peace-activists (January 2007)

In response to the ACLU’s FOIA requests filed on February 1, 2006, the Defense Department has released dozens of TALON reports that were compiled on Americans. Many of the reports focus on anti-military recruitment events and protests, including activities organized by the Quaker organization American Friends Service Committee, United for Peace and Justice, Veterans for Peace, and Catholic Worker.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

It’s making me really happy seeing how many people in the comments here have nice things to say about Quakers!

I don’t remember the incident you’re recalling. Sounds like something my people would do though, lol. What I do think of in terms of Quaker activity at the time is a lot of protests and also Tom Fox, a Quaker taken hostage and killed in Iraq. He was there representing the org Christian Peacemaker Team, which goes to places plagued with violence to do service and good. Unlike missionaries and despite their name, they do not try to convert anyone.

I did not know Tom, but I know many people who did. And despite the very personal loss, the response was doubling down on the efforts to bring peace and stop the war. I think it was a pretty widespread assumption that most Friends organizations were on watch lists.

Leftist Quakers are pretty radical, and pretty awesome.

[–] the_crotch 4 points 22 hours ago

American Friends Service Committee

"The One Where Ross Drops White Phosphorus on Civilians"

[–] theonlytruescotsman 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Far right fascist propaganda rag doesn't want to publish the truth about a genocide it's covered up and excused?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago

You can call the NYT a bunch of things but I'd argue its hardly far right fascist propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's not far right fascist. It is liberal Zionist. Liberals can and have been genocidal too. Liberal Zionism is incompatible with humanism or universal values.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ha. I would not have seen the add or messaging from the AFSC.

By rejecting it NYT Streisanded the message they sought to silence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Well played, Quakers.

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