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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

maybe a mass movement and a few other.. things.. will do it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah a small mass of lead with a lot of movement behind it would do wonders to the brain of most ceo's

[–] Bakkoda 2 points 5 days ago

~1100 fps for an object about 9x21 mm

[–] [email protected] 213 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I want to live in the timeline where things Bernie sees actually come true.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago (10 children)

If it weren’t for Hillary and the DNC being corrupt, Bernie would have destroyed trump in 2016. I know so many people where I was living in middle America that flipped from Bernie to Trump.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I wasn't in middle America, but experienced the same thing. I still don't understand it. Is it just populism? If so, not good. I definitely shed friends in 2016.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's because Trump advocates for change. Now it's not good change but he's definitely not a fan of the status quo, which gets you votes when the other guy is a Democrat centrist beholden to status quo-loving corporate donors.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would argue that the change he advocates for is in the direction of the worst parts of status quo. The unbridled capitalistic endeavors of the rich, specifically. Very different than Bernie Sanders.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That's true, but voters who are uneducated or simply don't care about politics will see what he's selling and think he's at least better than the DNC's "why would you want change? Everything is fine" nonsense.

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[–] [email protected] 164 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Bernie can read the room. These other fuckers very much less so.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'd step back onto the streets with Bernie at the head again. A small part of me still holds that hope from 2016.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So many fucking years ago. Ended any passion I had towards politics.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The others can read the room too; they’re just in an entirely different room.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Word is, when Bernie first saw the news of the murder, he said, "Fuck yes."

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Mass movements can do lots of things, but we can’t even get a majority of people to vote…

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[–] Grandwolf319 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, it can and that’s why we should keep trying.

But it does seem less likely than in 2016.

I’m not desperate (am Canadian) but I don’t blame desperate people.

The ends don’t justify the means but no one is denying that they do get results.

And that the correct means have been tried for decades.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I feel like we've made more progress in our national discussion regarfing healthcare since the assassination than we have in the previous 10 years.

I don't want to think that violence is the answer, but damn if it ain't a conversation starter.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is no escaping that sometimes violence is the only answer. It took that level of drama for right wingers to acknowledge what they have in common with progressives. It's really hard for right wing populists to resist supporting murder.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've also seen more people realize that an armed populace can provide a check on oppression witpopulrequiring a revolutionary uprising and defeating the military.

Having more guns than people means that the more people you piss off, the less safe you are.

If ine nutjob with a gun wants a politician or business leader dead, they can be stopped.

If 100,000 nutjobs want to assassinate you, one of them is gonna slip through.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

There's also the fact that the day after many insurance companies were suddenly approving procedures they denied the day before.

In all likelihood the assassination saved lives.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

We've had several mass movements about it over the past 15~20 years, the only thing that has worked so far is lead poisoning.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I know we loved the leaded solution and we won't cry if more happens but yeah at the of the day the system will need a legal reform to properly depose the parasites.

Shootings might continue until morale improves?

[–] Lucidlethargy 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I feel like there's a real chance they will continue... The reaction to this was just so insanely positive, despite the fact a man was murdered.

Have we ever seen anything like this as a country before? I'm genuinely curious...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

History is already absolutely littered with examples of this, and its a miracle there hasnt been more of it yet in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Fuck it, i think Luigi’s method is gonna be more effective.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

certainly if the movement is fast enough, as we've learned.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It can't be Democrats or republicans, those both are cunts.

Need to support a new party.

Is "working families" legit?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Sadly I dont see a third party ever being the solution due to our first past the post political system. We need election reform for a third party to exist, and those 2 cunts you mentioned would NEVER allow election reform to happen on their watch.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So why not start right now? Not 3 months before elections, now.

Create a web platform and organize. Idea is - to create a "troll" factory but not for trolling , but rather for propagandizing the cause. Let's say you have 10000 accounts army you can then direct on pushing the news and ideas we want and candidates we want.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

So If i am understanding correctly. You want to use bots to spread propaganda to influence politics? The problem is that congress is going to vote how their donors tell them to vote, they don't give a fuck what their voter base wants. You would also be competing against exactly what you are suggesting, giant capitalist media companies, and bot armies from hostile nation states. You just cant compete with their resources in spreading propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Working Families party is like the Tea Party for the Democrats. I don't believe they ever run as a third party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How can they get elected? If the party is in the actual interest of American society then all of the money will be stacked up in opposition to them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Because people like you will spread the word! :)

It's true though that the Tea Party was quickly captured and turned into an astroturf campaign, so it had a lot of money behind it.

Unfortunately, changing the world isn't easy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cool so let's just give up then I guess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It always cracks me up how the passive aggressive person saying "lets just give up then!" when one roadblock in a plan is pointed out, is generally the only person giving up. Oh no, the idea I wanted doesn't work, guess were all out of options.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Let me rephrase your comment for you.

"We can't go third party without election reform. Also election reform is impossible."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah I know what I said, as I was the one who said it, but since subtlety is clearly lost on you... Corruption through capitalist money has captured the government. Nothing is going to change in America without a revolution, otherwise we will continue to barrel fullsteam towards global financial collapse, or world war. If you're interested please shoot me any way you think the system can be fixed without some sort of large violent upheaval and ill described 3 ways in which the system is already securely rigged against it. Ill give you reason #1 as a freebie since it applies to any route you may suggest: they have become way too good at pitting us against each other over wedge issues about shit that doesn't affect us, so we just accept voting for things based on social issues, and as such we can never vote on real issues.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

I healthcare insurance companies need to become extinct.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

You heard it from Bernie. Sharpen those pitchforks.

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