With criminal Trump, having as he does zero respect for laws and legal norms, taking over the DOJ, and literally saying he is going to incarcerate his political enemies, it would be a national security risk for the former president's family to be in federal custody or facing serious federal charges.
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I agree. Since Biden believes that Trump is a fascist, and he didn't do this for purely selfish reasons, I expect him to also issue a blanket pardon for all undocumented immigrants as he is granted the power two do under Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution. Otherwise, I'll have choice but to believe that he is a corruot individual who is actually just saving his son from legal consequences of matters already resolved in court.
Who gives a shit? Republicans made a felon president. Nothing fucking matters anymore.
A felon that had to be given immunity by the supreme court he picked himself in order to stay out of prison long enough for the richest man in the world to get him elected.
You can't make this shit up
Reminds me of 
It's not that people are mad he's doing it, we're mad he's not doing more meaningful thing that will help people not named Biden or help a foreign country commit a genocide.
What gets me tho is his supporters applauding this.
Even when he spent months promising not to do this because of the sanctity of justice system...
I know I could tell he was lying. But his supporters swore up and down Biden wouldn't lie, and now they're supporting it.
Do you honestly not understand why 1/3 of the country treats both parties as out of touch liars who don't care for 99.99% of Americans?
Like, if "nothing matters" why isn't Biden doing more? Why isn't he even appointing all the empty judges seats before Trump can?
Why is the only things he can do on his way out the door arming a genocidal far right religious state for their genocide and pardoning his own son?
Even when he spent months promising not to do this because of the sanctity of justice system…
He probably wasn't lying. Hunter was convicted for purely political reasons. The crimes he was convicted of are rarely enforced and almost never result in jail time against first offenders. The President assumed that his son would be treated fairly like any other first time offender. He believed in the sanctity of the justice system but has now been forced to revise that opinion because it's perfectly clear that he was wrong.
the crimes he was convicted of are rarely enforced and almost never resulted in jail time against first offenders
This is the same line trump supporters use when defending his convictions, and it probably is true for both. If your in politics you and your family are, and should be, under more legal scrutiny then an average person. That's the price of power.
Your family should not be under more scrutiny than anybody else and they should not be a target of your political enemies.
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Exactly. Trump is about to pardon dozens/hundreds of treasonous terrorists (Jan 6th).
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If I wanted to operate on republican standards of integrity I'd be a republican.
You’re operating on Republican standards of integrity whether you want to or not, because nothing fucking matters anymore. That’s just the hand you’ve been dealt.
we're only as good as the world lets us be, huh.
Honestly? With the absolute thought crime aspect and the way the plea deal was handled, I don't blame him one bit. There's no public interest in locking up Hunter Biden.
There's no public interest in locking a lot of people up, yet they still do.
Rules should be applied equally, regardless of who you or your parents are.
This rule should be disregarded equally.
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Yeah, I don't see any public interest involved at all when it comes to the issue of presidents using their power to get their relatives off jail time. I don't think it undermines the sense of justice and equality that all citizens are supposed to have if the "first among equal citizens" can get their crackhead middle ages son off of already lenient legal consequences for actions that others are serving hard time for. Not at all a conspicuous legal hole that undermines the concept of the rule of law, and definitely not open to abuse.
That was part of the problem. The judge bowed to political pressure and rejected a completely normal plea deal to throw the book at the guy instead.
If you ask me the pardon power isn't used nearly enough.
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There’s no public interest in locking up Hunter Biden.
Nonsense. Theres a massive public interest in a privileged member of the political elite being held to the same legal standards and to the same due process as you and me.
That's not the same legal standards. Tax charges that the IRS bends over backwards not to use and gun charges that are literally thought crime and also very rarely used.
This was the witch hunt the GOP cries wolf about. The original thing they were looking for was Ukrainian money deals.
For anyone else the IRS would have had a payment plan and the gun charges would have been a plea deal. But we go from politically motivated investigation to politically motivated judge rejecting the plea deal
What about this is the same due process we would have?
So this is his big Grand exit? He could do so much on the way out the door for the country but instead the senile old fuck only cares about his damn kid.
This is one trivial act.
Donald Trump has a hitlist. Hunter is on that list. I don't think he deserves the pardon, but he needs it. Republicans will crucify him given the chance. I don't really want to see Republicans holding his head up on a pike for all to see, as much as they'd love that.
If you switch some of those names around it's sounds just like four years ago when Trump was leaving office....
You get that, right?
Like, Hunter was a crackhead that lied to get a gun, and then they abandoned the gun in a trashcan like, right next to a school, and then said when they went back for it, someone had taken it
Hunter is not some innocent child. He's a crackhead in his 50s who has lived a life of luxury free of consequences due to political connections.
Don't forget Biden wrote the 92 crime bill, he's ruined innumerable lives of actual children because of that.
If you can't see the hypocrisy, you probably don't understand why 1/3 of voters dont vote.
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I am pretty sure that Trump would have had that man killed in prison. In my books his dad did the right thing, fuck the optics.
I just made a post commenting that it's a national security risk to have a former president's family member incarcerated or under prosecution by the DoJ as Trump is planning to run it. He flat out said he's planning to use the DoJ to incarcerate political rivals.
It's like
"Hey, Joe, we have your son. You need to tell me / support me / help me with [undermining institutions of democracy and our allies], or else."
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Just in case any future presidents need a precedent for this kinda stuff.
If you think trump regarded precedent at all, i have a bridge to sell you.
Yea like Ford's pardon of Nixon, you mean those precedents?
Maybe Biden should make Hunter ambassador to France for the rest of the year
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As liberals brush it off as if there isn't a 2 tiered justice system in the US.
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To all the people in this thread claiming he needed to pardon him or trump would do something, without naming what that something is or using hyperbole, trump doesn't care about hunter. The hunter case was about
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Dragging the Biden name through the dirt and making them seem like a crime family. They don't need to do this anymore because Biden hasn't been a threat to trump since that last debate. Its not like he's afraid to run against him in 2028
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To call out them dems for there hypocrisy and try and make some equivalence with trumps convictions. This pardon plays perfectly into that narrative and now gives trump an excuse to pardon himself and all his accomplices.
Hunter is of no use to the trump administration now, don't try to sell this as anything but a powerful father bailing out his failure of a son.
NOW gives him an excuse? Did you not hear of the 238 pardons Trump gave last time? He needed this to happen as an excuse to do that again this time around?
All the other cases where they sentenced someone with a federal gun charge for lying on the form were plea deals. ABC said they couldn't find any instances of someone being charged and convicted on that charge alone. You can't say this wasn't a politically motivated prosecution when the charge has never been used that way before.
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Democrats aren’t exactly being a role model right now, but a lot of them are probably covering the asses of their own since Republicans are so blind by fascistic rage that they’re going to put a lot of innocent heads on pikes.
This thread reads like a satire of how Democrats are happy to sink lower and lower while using the GOP as an excuse.
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So his lame duck period is even more full-throated support for Israel and pardoning his own failson. He could, like, do anything at all that helps people. Any sort of progressive, popular idea that would actually benefit Americans. Hell, even if he failed it would do wonders for his legacy. He could try to do something, anything, to start making up for dragging down the entire party by refusing to drop out earlier, or allow for an actual primary. But nah. Pardons for Hunter.
He could, like, do anything at all that helps people.
You'd think the minimum would be "not leave federal judicial picks open" with him having a D senate this whole time...
https://www.uscourts.gov/judges-judgeships/judicial-vacancies/current-judicial-vacancies
Sitting at 42 trump will get to seat if they don't get their shit together. Bidens only nominated 12, so it's almost impossible all 42 gets seated.
If he or the other ghouls wanted to do anything that benefits working people they would have done it when they could get votes for it.
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