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Trump 'mass deportation' plan could impact 5% of Florida's population (www.tallahassee.com)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

This is going to fuck up the healthcare industry (along with many others) and it's going to hit alot of Americans hard. There's millions of immigrant home health aides across the country that help care for mentally disabled and elderly Americans. Start taking away those aides and suddenly you've got Americans struggling to find anybody to watch their family members, causing them to have to choose between work and caring for a relative. It's going to be a shitshow if they actually follow through with this.

The only silver lining I can see is that it might actually open Americans' eyes to how much they actually need immigrants after everything goes to shit, but I'm sure the ignorant will just go on to blame some other group for the resulting fallout.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's not just the undocumented immigrants. It will never ever be only them. The pigs will round up everyone who they think looks foreign, whatever that means. Lock them up and let God sort out the details. Even if the pigs weren't racist (lol), they'd still have a small margin of error, and all of those false positives are Americans whose lives will be ruined.

It's simply irresponsible not to point this out, when the U.S. had this exact issue a century ago.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Any hints of where they are planning to bring these millions of people once they snatched them?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I think Texas has already volunteered land for camps.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

and are there plans beyond camps on US soil? If they want to deport people, somebody‘s gotta take them

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Camp in Texas on the Mexico border. Open a passage into Mexico. Problem solved!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

“I have extended an offer to President Trump and incoming border czar Tom Homan to use this 1,400-acre property to construct a facility for the processing, detention, and coordination efforts of what will be the largest deportation of violent criminals in our nation's history.”

Buckingham said a facility built on this farmland recently bought by Texas will be the final stop for processing migrants before deportation.

She also promised more Texas land for mass deportation: “The new project that the General Land Office is going to bargain that I have created is the Jocelyn Initiative, in which we will locate appropriate land under my jurisdiction to lease for the construction of violent criminal deportation facilities.”

Texas Public Radio article

I only have the heart to read so much of this. My little family is white and we have moved to a safer state from the deep south. We're guessing we've got about a decade of safety before things get dangerous for us again.

Trying to strike a personal balance between being aware of safety concerns and not feeding myself large amounts of depressing info.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Spoiler: The effects will impact 99% of Florida's population.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

could also cost them that house seat they picked up after 2020 census, since redistricting is based on census data--and the census counts persons not 'citizens'.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Which is why the GQP keeps trying to make sure citizenry is on any census questionnaire.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Okay, let's say that they only counted citizens, and the questions on the census reflected that. Texas and Florida would both lose representatives, since those states have larger undocumented immigrant populations. So I don't know why they would want to do that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 22 hours ago

selectively ignoring parts of the constitution is what they do.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Might bring down house/rental prices. Won't bring down insurance prices, will increase prices of everything else.

[–] ricecake 6 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

If I'm a landlord and a bunch of tenants get booted from the country, not move, I'm not lowering prices. Prices are getting raised to cover the loss in revenue.

If people were moving, it would mean someone else had better prices or apartments and I was charging too much. Because they just vanished, it means that my relative position in the market remains unchanged, and I'm just getting less revenue.

And I mean, c'mon. Have you ever heard of a landlord lowering rent?

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam 4 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, but those empty units are still costing you money, especially if you still have a mortgage on them. You want to fill them before other landlords with the same problem snatch up your potential tenants. And there's fewer tenants to go around. If someone else drops rent and snatches up all your potential tenants you're just stuck paying off your own mortgage until you find someone.

And it's not like you became a landlord to pay off your own mortgage.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Imagine a 100 unit building. Most management companies stagger the leases to minimize time empty and maintenance hours (empty units need to be made ready for new tenants if 10 units become vacant in the same week, it will likely mean more time unoccupied).

Now, in Miami-Dade, the most populous and the least diverse country in Florida, 80 units suddenly become unoccupied and unpaid for. This would be financially devastating for the company. They will do what it takes to get tenants in leases and yes prices will drop.

Many of the apartments in the area are all under a handful of corporate companies. Conservatively they could lose 40% occupancy in a few months. Compound this in that there would also be a similar loss in the number of potential occupants. They would also likely lose most of their maintenance staff.

South Florida (Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade) has a very large migrant population. Among this population you have Haitians, Cubans, and Venezuelans who have protected statuses that will likely end. These statuses also mean that the government will know exactly where to go to start the process of removal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

You're making the assumption of one person per apartment and one deportation = 1 vacant apartment which is highly unlikely. Probably a whole family in the apt. so it may not even be vacated at all if one member is deported. Even if the whole family is deported that's only like 1 vacant apartment per at least 4-5 or more deportations. So yes, more housing will become available but not as much as you are estimating. IMO the effects will be felt much more in the labor shortage than in housing surplus.

[–] ricecake 1 points 18 hours ago

Imagine that same story, but it's 7 units suddenly becoming unoccupied and you have a more plausible scenario.

Housing doesn't work precisely the same as other goods. People don't break their lease to jump to an apartment with lower rent.

If you have vacancy because people aren't choosing you, you need to make changes to increase appeal.
If you had otherwise full occupancy and now you and all your competitors have 7% vacancy, you don't need to make yourself stand out

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's not how that works at all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yep with the exodus, you'll have a glut of apartments without tenants. You don't raise your prices in that situation, you lower them because a lower amount of rent is better than nothing. I'm friends with an apartment manager; yes we talk shop, this is what actually happens.

[–] ricecake -1 points 18 hours ago

When was the last time your friend dealt with the government arbitrarily removing 5%-10% of the rental population from the market as a whole?

Normally if you have a lot of vacancies, it's because other places are more attractive. In this situation it's because of an arbitrary market distortion.
A better example is looking at university towns where the student population is comparable to permanent residents. In those situations you often see rental companies raise costs during the summer. When the students are on their way back for the next year, prices come down to increase appeal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

And the people they are deporting play a significant role in housing maintenance, repair, and construction.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Good. Screw Florida.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 13 points 19 hours ago

Something something leopards and faces

[–] [email protected] 16 points 22 hours ago

That's one in twenty, for you Floridians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe more, if they go after the Russians.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago

lol, they won’t.