this post was submitted on 01 Dec 2024
226 points (99.6% liked)

politics

19156 readers
2610 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Spoiler: The effects will impact 99% of Florida's population.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

could also cost them that house seat they picked up after 2020 census, since redistricting is based on census data--and the census counts persons not 'citizens'.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Which is why the GQP keeps trying to make sure citizenry is on any census questionnaire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, let's say that they only counted citizens, and the questions on the census reflected that. Texas and Florida would both lose representatives, since those states have larger undocumented immigrant populations. So I don't know why they would want to do that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Because they want to control and hurt people. Not help.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

selectively ignoring parts of the constitution is what they do.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Might bring down house/rental prices. Won't bring down insurance prices, will increase prices of everything else.

[–] ricecake 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If I'm a landlord and a bunch of tenants get booted from the country, not move, I'm not lowering prices. Prices are getting raised to cover the loss in revenue.

If people were moving, it would mean someone else had better prices or apartments and I was charging too much. Because they just vanished, it means that my relative position in the market remains unchanged, and I'm just getting less revenue.

And I mean, c'mon. Have you ever heard of a landlord lowering rent?

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam 5 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, but those empty units are still costing you money, especially if you still have a mortgage on them. You want to fill them before other landlords with the same problem snatch up your potential tenants. And there's fewer tenants to go around. If someone else drops rent and snatches up all your potential tenants you're just stuck paying off your own mortgage until you find someone.

And it's not like you became a landlord to pay off your own mortgage.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Imagine a 100 unit building. Most management companies stagger the leases to minimize time empty and maintenance hours (empty units need to be made ready for new tenants if 10 units become vacant in the same week, it will likely mean more time unoccupied).

Now, in Miami-Dade, the most populous and the least diverse country in Florida, 80 units suddenly become unoccupied and unpaid for. This would be financially devastating for the company. They will do what it takes to get tenants in leases and yes prices will drop.

Many of the apartments in the area are all under a handful of corporate companies. Conservatively they could lose 40% occupancy in a few months. Compound this in that there would also be a similar loss in the number of potential occupants. They would also likely lose most of their maintenance staff.

South Florida (Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade) has a very large migrant population. Among this population you have Haitians, Cubans, and Venezuelans who have protected statuses that will likely end. These statuses also mean that the government will know exactly where to go to start the process of removal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

You're making the assumption of one person per apartment and one deportation = 1 vacant apartment which is highly unlikely. Probably a whole family in the apt. so it may not even be vacated at all if one member is deported. Even if the whole family is deported that's only like 1 vacant apartment per at least 4-5 or more deportations. So yes, more housing will become available but not as much as you are estimating. IMO the effects will be felt much more in the labor shortage than in housing surplus.

[–] ricecake 1 points 21 hours ago

Imagine that same story, but it's 7 units suddenly becoming unoccupied and you have a more plausible scenario.

Housing doesn't work precisely the same as other goods. People don't break their lease to jump to an apartment with lower rent.

If you have vacancy because people aren't choosing you, you need to make changes to increase appeal.
If you had otherwise full occupancy and now you and all your competitors have 7% vacancy, you don't need to make yourself stand out

[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's not how that works at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yep with the exodus, you'll have a glut of apartments without tenants. You don't raise your prices in that situation, you lower them because a lower amount of rent is better than nothing. I'm friends with an apartment manager; yes we talk shop, this is what actually happens.

[–] ricecake -1 points 20 hours ago

When was the last time your friend dealt with the government arbitrarily removing 5%-10% of the rental population from the market as a whole?

Normally if you have a lot of vacancies, it's because other places are more attractive. In this situation it's because of an arbitrary market distortion.
A better example is looking at university towns where the student population is comparable to permanent residents. In those situations you often see rental companies raise costs during the summer. When the students are on their way back for the next year, prices come down to increase appeal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

And the people they are deporting play a significant role in housing maintenance, repair, and construction.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Good. Screw Florida.