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7.2 million illegal immigrants under his administration, vs magnitudes less in the same time frame under trump. Or Obama. Bush even.
Biden had this catch and release program, and it didn't keep them out.
I question the source of this 7.2m number. Since they are illegal, they don’t exactly report themselves. Additionally, how many of those have been here a while? How many came through under trump. All you say is “magnitudes less” but offer no numbers for that.
Sounds like you watch a lot of Fox News and listen to a lot of trump speeches. Those numbers seem to jump around a lot. Almost as if they are entirely made up on the fly.
I guess the best option is to make this place so unlivable for everyone that no one would ever want to move here. Good luck with the brain drain.
You can get a fair picture here:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
Nothing you can part a hard number on, obviously. But you can derive trends easily enough.
For example, check 2024, a year that's trended down. Let's pretend that number was 100,000 immigrants/month for all of that year, and we're being ridiculously conservative here. That's 1.2 million souls. These are real people, that require food, water, shelter, medicine, all that. It's a bit staggering just imagining the infrastructure needed, let alone humanitarian needs.
So, using stupid low numbers, that adds to 4.8m people in 4-years. We could drill down forever, but that count is not going to get lower. 7.2m strikes me as a reasonable figure. Especially if we're including immigrants from sources other than the Southern border.
So what is before 2022? I’m on a phone rn so maybe I can’t see it all, but I’m guessing it looks that that all the way back to 2016. So, not really a “Biden” thing. Just a regular thing that happens.
Source for these random numbers?
Also, all you have to do to reduce migration is have a global pandemic that kills millions and stops travel of every kind. Trump doesn’t get credit for that - unless you prefer his mishandling of the pandemic and poor economic prospects under his administration as disincentive to come to the US?
Back of the napkin math in my comment:
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/13749448
You pulling numbers out of your ass?
Source: Center for Migration Studies
Their lack of response speaks volumes -- chatty as hell until hit with the facts
Probably got the number straight from the horses mouth at a trump event. Smells a lot like horseshit to me.