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In a statement, the council rationalized the reduction by stating they wanted to reduce the content load on students in light of the Covid-19 pandemic. On June 1, India cut a slew of foundational topics from tenth grade textbooks, including the periodic table of elements, Darwin's theory of evolution, the Pythagorean theorem, sources of energy, sustainable management of natural resources and contribution of agriculture to the national economy, among others. These changes effectively block a major swath of Indian students from exposure to evolution through textbooks, because tenth grade is the last year mandatory science classes are offered in Indian schools.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/evolution-periodic-table-to-stay-part-of-class-9-10-syllabus/articleshow/101058188.cms

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

This is what the incoming Trump administration wants to do to the US.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Thats religion for you.

[–] [email protected] 158 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And just like that, 1 in every seven kids in the world got royally fucked.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Right?

Let's see, Pythagorean theorem, is what, a couple thousand years old, and a single statement, right? And it's the foundation of geometry and trig. Hell, I regularly say it in my head (a2+b2=c2) when trying to figure out spatial relationships, for dumb stuff no less (will this table fit on my patio with room to walk around it?).

It's how you ensure anything you're trying to make square is square. In framing (shed, house, deck, whatever) it's used to ensure you setup your string in the proper orientation and don't end up with a parallelogram.

And the Periodic table.... The bloody basis of understanding chemical reactions and physics.

I guess if you're not teaching the Periodic Table, there'd be no hope if understanding evolutionary theory, since it's predicated on chemical behaviour.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Seriously… the Pythagorean Theorem is the single most important piece of practical math that can be easily taught to everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The first uses of the hypotenuse theorem came centuries before Pythagoras, unknown exactly when it came to be. Pythagoras just happens to be credited to be the first to document it.

http://5010.mathed.usu.edu/Fall2021/BDzierzon/history.html

Edit: Noting that the http site doesn't seem to load in Android WebView mode, fuck Google Chrome, it loads in Firefox though.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 week ago (18 children)

PEOPLE FALLING FOR THIS SHIT AGAIN IS INSANE !

They haven't removed the Pythagorean theorem, it seems to be taught in lower grades. This is Pythagorean theorem for the similarity of triangles, which was dropped to remove burden during pandemic.

Periodic tables and evolution are moved to one or two grade higher. NOT DROPPED.

There you go. Now you have the facts. Enjoy the rest of your day 🫡

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

PEOPLE FALLING FOR THIS SHIT AGAIN IS INSANE

  • Me, everyday, reading any news lately.
[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (13 children)

What the hell are you talking about!? It says in the article that these three subjects have been moved out of mandatory learning.

Meaning that most Indian students won't understand the basic principles of evolution or the most simple understanding of the composition of elements.

Not considering either of these three to be essential mandatory learning is insane.

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[–] thetreesaysbark 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It says in the post that 10th grade is the last mandatory grade, so this means many students will miss out on learning about evolution, no?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Correct. After 10th grade, you can choose a "stream" (course). You can choose between science, commerce, or humanities. What's worse is that each stream has multiple branches, and biology is not included in all the branches. So if you were to choose computer science branch in the science stream, you will not take any biology classes.

So a vast majority of students would never learn about some very important scientific concepts if this was implemented, but I'm not sure if they reversed this decision or not.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Evolution is dropped from mandatory and is only taught to students who opt to learn biology, after high school.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

These changes effectively block a major swath of Indian students from exposure to evolution through textbooks, because tenth grade is the last year mandatory science classes are offered in Indian schools.

I know nothing of India's education system. Does this mean it's in an optional class now or is this totally wrong?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

that's just your hypotenuse

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

What the actual fuck? Those are all taught way before 10th grade here in the US, even in my ass-backwards state.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Ok don’t make it mandatory but then what would you be teaching instead? These are all like the basic building blocks of chemistry and geometry. You just aren’t gonna teach kids those subjects then?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Okay the evolution part, though stupid, is religious fundie par for the course. But middle school geometry? Are they fucking retarded?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Short answer, yes.

In 2018, Indian minister for higher education Satyapal Singh baffled the scientific community by demanding that the theory of evolution be removed from school curriculum becaue "no one ever saw an ape turning into a human being." Other political leaders from the ruling Bhartiya Janata Party came to his defense on social media.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

"no one ever saw an ape turning into a human being."

Maybe phylogenetics then? Tells pretty much the same story and is based on measurable data.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

"I ain't never seen no animorphs"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That statement alone speaks to his fundamental misunderstanding of what evolution is. Stupid people not knowing a subject, understanding their entirely flawed guess is wrong (I agree with them there) yet not realizing WHY they're wrong, then barring it because how ridiculous what they think it is sounds. Dunning something something Kruger something. I'm 100% for teaching kids that gorillas just dont turn into humans and actually teach them what evolution means.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone knows different dog breeds were invented by god in the 18th century

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes.

Imagine not knowing the fucking Pythagorean Theorem. Imagine not being able to do basic trigonometry, a cornerstone of physics.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

A cornerstone of construction

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Seems like you have not TIL’d fully.

Setting aside that it was temporary (though I could agree there is some malice on the committee’s part in this respect), the topics in discussion were already introduced in lower grades and the complex aspects were moved to higher grades.

But the most important part that never ever got discussed since the story broke, is that the change did got implemented because the committee listened to the feedback and dropped the plan merely a week later. [0]

The government and education ministry have some glaring flaws, but this is not one of them. They continue to make questionable decisions that deserve attention and criticism; yet these issues rarely receive the focus that this story has generated.

Please stop with the FUD, even if it is due to your lack of knowledge on the matter.

[0] http://toi.in/WFlcAb44 (apologies for linking this abomination in the name of a news website, but they were the ones to break the news and get the interviews.)

E: missed a word.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Goddamn fascists man.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

What else to expect from a RW govt who thinks hindu religious scriptures have all the knowledge

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