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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago
  1. Not true at all. Vile lies spread by the Democrats.
  2. Okay, maybe it is true, but it's actually a good thing.
  3. Okay, maybe the results are catastrophic, but it's actually the Democrats' fault. The solution is higher tariffs.
[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Everyone needs a lesson in how tarrifs work. Tarrifs are a tax on thing that US companies buy. They are intended to make foreign products more expensive to protect domestic producers. So, the American company pays the tariff. They then pass that tariff on to their customer, either another company or an American consumer. Then, the country that the tariff had been applied to applies offsetting tarrifs on American goods.

When the product that the tariff is applied to can't be produced in the US, think advanced microchips or Canadian softwood lumber, Americans pay more but still have to buy the foreign product. With the softwood lumber tarrifs the cost of building a home with Canadian softwood lumber went up by tens of thousands of dollars and Canadian companies laughed all the way to the bank. American consumers paid more and Canadian companies made record profits because the US can't produce enough softwood lumber to meet its needs.

So, the price to American companies and consumers goes up and the cost of American goods overseas goes up. Americans pay the tarrifs and American companies sell less goods overseas.

America loses.

[–] Mushroomm 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

But think of all the failing business that will be super cheap to aquire! /s

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Oh I have no doubt that the Blackrocks and Birkshire Hathaway's of the nation are absolutely throbbing at the prospect. Literally diamonds. Those dusty old corpses won't need their hourly viagra until 2030.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

TIL, lots of Trumps voters don’t even know how tariffs work and thought the foreign companies are the one who paid those instead of the domestic buyers themselves.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even if, did they think prices would just stay the same? Tariffs only work if production is moved back home, which for many industries won't happen, which means costs will be passed on to consumers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Also, the costs would still be passed on to consumers even if the production was moved back home, because it will cost more in general. And gotta keep those profit margins up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Doesn't matter who the tax is levied against. All costs will be passed on to the buyer. They should be familiar with this idea. It's the Republican's key talking point against business taxes.

[–] [email protected] 237 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (23 children)

It will at least be extremely funny to watch all the right wing gamer bro chuds freak the fuck out when an immediate consequence of their actions will be that gaming pc components instantly inflate 50% in price.

Glad I already got my Steam Deck, fuck.

[–] [email protected] 148 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Bold of you to assune they won't just blame Dems because it isn't like reality matters.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 5 days ago (1 children)

20 years into the trump dynasty dictatorship, they will still be saying "thanks Biden" to every financial inconvenience.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 days ago

They still blame Obama

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If you think that's funny just wait for all the construction bros to discover that Milwaukee is now a Chinese company and their M18 HD12 batteries suddenly cost >500 a pop

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Rich get richer, poor people suffer. Americans are so f dumb i cant take it

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Good. I hope he does it. Don't let any of his yes-men or cronies tell him what a horrible idea it is. Let the whole fucking country burn.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Isn't this exactly what Trump said Harris was gonna do and that he was gonna not do?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Where so you think American farmers buy their fertilizer? Where they sell most of their soy and corn sell to? Maaaaany companies are either buying or selling to/from China. Many will go bankrupt, bany will struggle.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

China is strengthening ties with Russia to replace u.s trade, and it shows that Putin is laughing his ass off at how he played a whole country, other than his I mean

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Fuck.

It hasn't even started yet and I know that I have 4 more years of this stupidity news ever single day

Oh wait

Since Trump will install himself as a dictator, then die, we have a few decades of couche fucker Vance to look forward to, yeeeiii

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Can someone please explain to me why he STILL doesn't have any understanding of how tarrifs work?

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You're making the mistake in that his intention is to improve things.

He doesn't have to make things better, he just has to say he has made them better. That's all he's ever done and it's worked.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago

A candidate that expressed nuanced understanding of economic principles would have been less likely to win the election.

A candidate that instead promises answers that intuitively sound right. If imports are expensive, then obviously the big business owners will build domestic and give us more money. If you get rid of immigrants, then the business owners will have to pay more for citizen workers. Simple answers that are easier for people to believe in.

Attempts to explain nuance? That ranges from nerds overcomplicating things and/or those darned liberal elites trying to truck them.

This cuts both ways. In 2020 Biden won not due to a more sophisticated understanding of things, but simply because things were bad, and the other guy therefore was the obvious choice. So to overcome an incumbent, you just have to have people believe stuff is bad, and provide some believable explanation that you could fix it.

[–] GhiLA 22 points 4 days ago (4 children)

he STILL doesn't have any understanding of how tarrifs work?

How do you STILL think this isn't all intentional? They know what they're doing. They don't care if we can afford it or not. This is about the conservatives' bottom line, lol. They don't care about you, America, China or whether any of it works.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They’ll blame democrats for the price increases. Bet me.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

The US is at least 40 years removed from any kind of real electronics manufacturing at scale.

This kind of thing takes generational knowledge to get right and we outsourced that knowledge a long time ago.

We are now several generations from being able to manufacture electronics on the level.

Either trump has no idea how anything works or he's actively trying to destroy the American economy.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 5 days ago (8 children)

For years, us, Canadians went to USA for shopping. Next year with the exchange rate at the highest for US$, and Canada without tariff, a shit load of americans will come to Canada to buy their electronics and stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago

As someone who works for a large US-based company, we are locking in large contracts ASAP for compute power to hopefully keep us sated and avoid these from being an extinction event. We were already discussing some vendors not offering supply contracts already because they see the writing on the wall for their own profit margins

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I hope Trump turns out to be the best president in history. Prove me wrong, conservatives. I want to hear how it's going by the fourth year.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Mexico about to make a killing in shipping.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They already have been. China has been working at circumventing restrictions by basically offloading raw materials or parts to Mexico and having them build the product to ship to the US.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So we're going to put tariffs on things where there aren't even domestically-sourced options? WTF?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

That's the point of tariffs...to give domestic supply a shot.

It's stupid and short-sighted in a modern economy. It's not worth it for any manufacturer to shut down existing mega factories and build new ones here. They won't find enough people to do the jobs (especially if we deport/denaturalize a ton of people) and the costs and re-investments are huge.

Plus the only places that are left to build giant factories are distant from population centers. And I doubt there will be mass transit into them. So more pollution from personal transportation. And more pollution from local factories. Ripping the EPA to shreds will help with that, and that's a part of agenda 47.

And you just know the ones that choose to come and build here are gonna get really nice tax breaks to do so, so there won't be any real return for the community for a long time, if ever.

The end result is either they pass the costs into consumers, or they cut costs by laying off their expensive state-side employees and moving their positions abroad. American middle-class loses bigly either way.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm involved in the manufacturing sector. At recent trade shows, we've been hearing that a lot of companies were holding off on making decisions about purchasing goods and machinery until after the election, though no one was saying much specifically about what each candidate would mean for their decisions. This article seems to say the outlook isn't super rosy and his initiatives don't make a ton of sense.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Fuuuuuuuck me I wanted a new PC & a new laptop. How much time do I have before this hits?!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Brought this up to a friend who is very pro Trump and he said

"Part of trying to get industry back in the country (which we would be better off with) involves making imports less appealing."

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago (21 children)

These people have no concept of geo politics and global trade. For example, we produce a lot of the world's soy, that's a major export, not many other countries do it on a large scale like that - so we cut the other countries some slack and tell them we won't produce this particular good so you can have a hand in the global economy. Yes having the production here would be ideal as I'm all for it, but the world is so much more than Murica and they can't see past their fucking noses.

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