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Summary

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and French President Emmanuel Macron held a call to discuss the potential implications of Donald Trump’s return to the U.S. presidency for Europe.

The leaders pledged to strengthen cooperation for a “more united, stronger, more sovereign Europe” in light of this possibility. Macron emphasized a commitment to European sovereignty while maintaining cooperation with the U.S. Additionally, German and French defense ministers plan to meet to coordinate on defense policies.

Trump’s ambiguous stance on Russia’s war in Ukraine and his critical view of NATO burden-sharing raise concerns in Europe about future U.S.-Europe relations.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 37 minutes ago

I sincerely hope the European powers will overcome their internal politics and the rightward slide many of them seem to be on, and cooperate more closely for the world's sake. I want to be hopeful for the climate and humanity.

Hopefully Canada will stick with Europe rather than the US ideologically, but with how things are going here we seem farther along on our rightward slide.

[–] Lucidlethargy 0 points 30 minutes ago

I mean, Trump is working for Putin... So yeah, NATO may be fucked. The US may at least pull out completely.

I'm not sure if he can do that, but considering everything that's happened, he probably will.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

American here.

Please embargo us. Make it clear that you will not work with a fascist state.

I want our economy to be in fucking ruins come 2026, when 20 Republican senators are up for reelection. If we take the house and a 2/3rds majority in the Senate and we can end this shit in January 2027.

But we need the anger and pain the Republicans have tapped into to fuel the fire to wipe the GOP from existence. And we need the Dems to stop playing fair. We need to go scorched-earth on these motherfuckers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

in fucking ruins

It will somehow just be “the democrats fault” or those pesky brown invaders. And will fire up the base to vote in another shitclown.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 minutes ago

Down economies are the number one predictor of whether a political party will be voted out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Fuck embargos, invade and liberate us. Return the favor we did for Germany 80 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 hours ago

There is no way in which the US will be embargod. Even under trump european nations will try to keep a mostly beneficial relation with the US due to the economic reliability and US strength in global politics. Sorry bud!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Honestly you sound like you are part of the problem with America if you would rather see your country ruined in some self-fulfilling prophecy just so that your political opponents will lose next election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

I'll gladly lose money and comfort for a few years to protect the people I love from what Trump and his minions will to do.

Every day they're in power is a threat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 45 minutes ago

Think of it like chemotherapy, when you have to invest poison in order to get better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No country would be insane enough to embargo the single greatest economic power on Earth.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

How can buisness be done with a power so volatile?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago

Simple. Multinational corporate interests have significant influence in the government. The elected officials may change, but people like Charles Koch are still whispering in their ears.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

The maga idiots don't really pose a theat to buisnesses, just regular people.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Close Cooperation with eachother. The USA can no longer be seen as a reliable partner with its wild ideological swings and a lack of strong commitment to the cause.

Make or break for a strong European State.

From a UK perspective we're absolutely fucked due to Brexit. USA is unreliable, detached from the EU, what's left? BRICS? Lol.

Shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Ah the UK and EU are inexorably intertwined. Don't stress too much. We're still best buds.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

BRICS? Lol.

It'd be BRICSUK then. Kinda close to Brexit. Just paint it as the next step after Brexit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

SUKBRICK sounds like a demeaning act that we brought on ourselves so lets go with that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Everyone that voted for Cheeto Christ has willingly put their teeth to the curb, so SUKBRICK isn't far off.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Summary:

There will be lots of winded and inspired speeches. Nothing will happen, Europe will stay divided while each country seeks advantages on its own for petty short term gains. The populists will continue to gain footholds, and to conquer lands.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

The only correct answer.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The EU needs a centralized military if it wants to survive

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe they need it, but that may not be happening. Over the past decade, Europe has been moving decisively to the right, just like the US is doing, which means less internal European cooperation and a further move toward sovereign nation states. The EU will maybe be able to maintain the overall trade cooperation among countries, but there's very little chance of further European integration in other policy areas as it stands. Even the Schengen open-border cooperation is hanging by a thread.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Then the EU will fall and Europe will plunge into a new era of uncertainty and war

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

And then Putin can conquer them all...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's basically what all our history is anyway

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, it's also exactly what the EU and it's predecessors exist to prevent. We've never had a period of prolonged peace in Europe like we have now. And these utter fucking slabs want to undo it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

Yes, which is why I do think the foundational trade framework will remain and possibly strengthen. That's what originally created the EU and ended many of the conflicts.

What I don't see happening much going forward is countries giving up sovereignty on things like immigration and judicial issues or social and cultural issues. I also think stuff like a banking union and further economic integration are hanging by a thin, thin thread. There are simply too much disagreement and too many differences in how the economies work. It's not like states within the US at all.

[–] [email protected] 260 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

You guys better ramp up arms production and switch to a partial wartime stance. Because Russia isn't going to stop with Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They've got nukes though, and plenty of conventional fire power (compared to Ukraine when it was invaded).

They need to invest in a non US lead command structure as that's all using US tech and personnel.

[–] Lucidlethargy 1 points 29 minutes ago

Yeah, they really need to do relying on my country (the US). We are officially fully compromised.

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[–] [email protected] 157 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

Europe needs to step up on Ukraine. NATO is out of the picture, the EU needs to stand in its place.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 hours ago

Lol. Maybe we can drown our enemies in paperwork.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I sincerely hope they're ready to hold the world together. Americans have screwed ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 hours ago

One of the few things that you can rely on is the Europeans will provide no unity or leadership.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

They're not. They're ready to screw themselves as well.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Trump’s ambiguous stance on Russia’s war in Ukraine and his critical view of NATO burden-sharing raise concerns in Europe about future U.S.-Europe relations.

Absolutely nothing ambiguous about it. Everyone knows where he stands. Exactly where every lapdog stands, behind and slightly off to the side of their master.....

[–] merc 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone knows where he stands.

I strongly suspect that isn't true. I think anti-Trump people know where he stands, but I bet a lot of pro-Trump people are about to be in for a big surprise.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, yes....the old "leopards are eating people's faces, but how was I supposed to know that it'd be my face?" bit.

[–] merc 0 points 1 hour ago

I heard yesterday about how a lot of Imams in Michigan posed for selfies with him.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Get ready for Donnie to epically suck Putin’s cock. Fuck, I hate this country.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

He'll start buying russian natural resources at a dollar on the dime and gas prices will drop a little bit and all the dumb idiots that voted for him will drool and smile because "ooga booga feels good" while he pulls out of nato and the world marches towards WWIII

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

He’ll start buying russian natural resources at a dollar on the dime

How does that make any fucking sense when he wants to drill on US land? Do you guys even think about the shit you post before you post it?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 hours ago

If Europe wants to keep the front line east of Ukraine, they better get on that right now. That front line will not stop at the western border.

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