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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.

Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary’s 65 million and Obama’s 66 million, she’s gonna end up around 71-74 million.

Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some ‘swing’ states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump’s currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn’t a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we’ll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).

This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.

I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion. ~~Oh thanks to your Ohia and your brother Jebidiah~~

(Also you can’t blame third parties this time, they did horribly nationwide. At worst maybe they tightened up Virginia a bit just through how uniquely bad for Democrats it was there, but on the other hand RFK Jr is the only reason New Mexico didn’t crack a sub 5 margin and go into Swing State territory again(Harris won by 5.2 there and RFK got 1 point. No third party means that crosses the 5 point threshold)

[–] [email protected] 53 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I guess it's confirmed. Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

a bad of rocks doesn't have 34 felonies.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 hours ago

The “shift in votes” map on the NYT is INSANE.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Biden can still execute him as official presidential order

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Can't just execute Trump himself. Once Trump is dead, there'll be dozens waiting to take his place. Gotta execute Trump, Vance, his cabinet, the Supreme Court so they can't undo their decision to make the president a king, and any republican in office that didn't turn their back on Trump

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It'll still slow them down a ton.

People don't like trumps policies. They like him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

That's not how a cult works.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I guess people really do want fascism. We talk about it like it's an obviously-awful thing, but apparently most Americans disagree. Most people around the world seem to disagree, in fact. We laugh about the idiots voting for Trump, but far right lunatics are gaining positions of power all over the planet. It's not just Fox News-fed Americans.

It feels like we're building up to something catastrophic.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago

Fox News is a vestige of the 20th century. Social media is the 21st century Fox News. Everyone knows it's bad but we have not reckoned with it. Everyone agrees it's bad then everyone returns to scrolling their echo chamber.

Unfortunately the social media oligarchs side with Trump. We're all fucked.

[–] [email protected] 367 points 13 hours ago (35 children)

I don't understand how this many people see everything that he's done and said, and still voted for him. I just do not understand. I don't want to live on the same planet as these people, nevermind in the same country.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

Don't forget sexism too

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 hours ago

Still, even the biggest racist should look at him and think: there has to be a better racist.

[–] [email protected] 148 points 13 hours ago (13 children)

From what I've seen it's people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.

This is exactly what happened with Brexit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Just like with Brexit, geriatric brains still insisting that the world should be catering to THEIR demands. And similarly bitter that the world has moved on and they're all-but-obsolete.

Their votes are Boomer tantrums for attention.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven't realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn't afraid of breaking things along the way.

It's just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it's only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.

Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

For the record, we progressives in the US have been trying to foment that kind of attention. Messaging seems to be artificially limited by the corporate media, which is why groups like XR have had to resort to super glue hands onto the outer frames of art.

Every time we gain some momentum, serious violence appears, perfectly on schedule, to quell our desire for change.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

This is what people do not seem to understand. Fascism has the backing of global capitalism. All of the multinationals and industries who have been top dogs for the entire industrial revolution — fossil fuel corporations, weapons manufacturing and the entire military industrial complex — all of the food supply chain, major media networks, social media networks, and big tech companies, who have built a more expansive surveillance apparatus than Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia — ALL of the leaders of the highly-centralized functional-monopolies of 21st C capitalism benefit from fascism. The 1/100 who says "not like this" is irrelevant.

They're all part of the big club (even if they are oblivious to it) and you aren't in it.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I know. It is very disappointing.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

It's not really all that complicated. The Democrats represent the status quo. The status quo sucks. The Republicans present themselves as an alternative to the status quo. So, people vote Republican.

All the centrist messaging just makes it worse. The Republicans can explain why things suck by scapegoating the poor and marginalized. But the Democrats won't call out the rich and powerful who are the actual reason things suck, so instead they just try to tell people that things don't suck at all. They "reach across the aisle" to people like Dick Cheney who are clearly part of the political establishment which only serves to help Trump present himself as an outsider. They adopt all these right-wing positions on immigration, the military, etc, but the people that appeals to already have a party waiting on them hand and foot, giving them exactly what they want. And all the bad shit he does doesn't matter to them because they believe in lesser evilism and hate the establishment.

Of course, Trump is part of the billionaire class and isn't any sort of real alternative to the existing system, but as long as Republicans are able to paint themselves that way, and are the only "alternative" game in town, people are going to turn to them when they dislike the way things are going, no matter how shitty they are.

I felt surprised and confused in 2016 when Trump won, but it's been 8 years. It's long past time to start figuring out where the Trump phenomenon came from.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago

Best take I've read so far. Racism/misogyny/stupidity etc are certainly all factors but this is the main issue, absolutely. Everything sucks and pretending it's all fantastic and nothing needs to change is a delusional campaign strategy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

100% this. And it frustrates me to no end because we're having the exact same issue in Germany (although we're still "behind" the US in the timeline). The extremist AfD has been gaining consistently over the past decade because they just present themselves as the alternative to everything establishment, so a lot of voters that are unhappy with the system for whatever reason flock to them (as one AfD politician put it, "the worse Germany is doing, the better for the AfD"). But instead of offering a different, more left-wing alternative to the status quo, all other major parties have been trying a centrist or even right-wing approach (e. g. the current government implementing hilariously useless stricter border controls), hoping to appeal to AfD voters by offering a watered-down version of their authoritarian agenda. And of course the outcome of this strategy is the same as in the US: The AfD just keeps on gaining ground.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 hours ago

They don't see what he's done and what he's said. The people that put him over the edge this time were targeted for being ill-informed and tempted by magic wand campaign promises like "no tax on tips" or dumb things like gold sneakers. They aren't watching informed news or doing research about his past performance. They're simply voting on vibe alone and have been heavily targeted on social media to make them think everything sucks and he's the only one who can fix everything when in fact he's the complete opposite of them.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I can't fucking believe we did it to ourselves again I'm completely in shock, this is fucking ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I would say the same thing but just drive a car somewhere some time. People are the stupidest most selfish garbage you can imagine. And nothing brings that behavior out of them like driving a car.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

This is somehow less of a gut-punch than 2016 when everyone just assumed Americans would do the right thing and not elect Trump. It still sucks, but it’s less of a surprise. The writing was kind of on the wall for awhile though, just given the fact that the election was as close as it was. Even if Trump hadn’t won, that he was able to run the most garbage campaign in history and was still tying it up was pretty damning of America.

So now we watch as we just peacefully transfer power to the most vile, irresponsible person on Earth and watch the world burn.

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[–] [email protected] 189 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Great job, dipshits. I hope this personally impacts each and every person that voted for him.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Oh it definitely will. Just his tariff plans are gonna turn everywhere into a 3rd world country, not just the republican backwaters.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (5 children)

At this point, it's just desserts. The US had it coming for even letting him run in the first place. That being said, Republican backwaters are going to get fucked way harder than metro populations. Poor boomers are going to get wiped out without social security, Medicaid, or kids that love them anymore. The south can enjoy the next hurricane without FEMA aid. Have fun watching your loved ones get deported because you thought this only impacted "illegals", assholes. I have my popcorn ready.

Fuck em.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 13 hours ago (14 children)

As an Australian watching this all unfold I just can't believe you guys did it again.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 13 hours ago

We can't either

[–] [email protected] 71 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Seconded. The first time I was willing to write it off as frustrated voters being misled by a conman. This time is different. You all had four years under this rapist conman and enough people decided they'd go back for seconds. Despicable.

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Jesus fucking Christ not again

[–] [email protected] 74 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Actually it's not gonna be "again". It's gonna be way, way worse.

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[–] Sabre363 86 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Dear anyone that voted for this useless cunt,

You are fucking retarded. Thanks for ruining everything for the rest of us, dipshit.

With absolutely no love, any creature with an actual brain.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

And they won the Senate and are on track to win the house. The supreme Court is already in Trump's pocket and even if he choked on a big Mac and keeled over tomorrow that still leaves Vance, who is just as insane as trump but knows how to make his shit palatable to anyone who hasn't been paying attention, which as tonight proves is more than half the country. We are 1000% well and truly fucked.

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[–] AlecSadler 69 points 13 hours ago (10 children)

Welp, I'm going to skip work tomorrow and figure out how to get citizenship elsewhere. Fuck the US.

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