I don't understand how this many people see everything that he's done and said, and still voted for him. I just do not understand. I don't want to live on the same planet as these people, nevermind in the same country.
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From what I've seen it's people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.
This is exactly what happened with Brexit.
Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven't realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn't afraid of breaking things along the way.
It's just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it's only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.
Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.
For the record, we progressives in the US have been trying to foment that kind of attention. Messaging seems to be artificially limited by the corporate media, which is why groups like XR have had to resort to super glue hands onto the outer frames of art.
Every time we gain some momentum, serious violence appears, perfectly on schedule, to quell our desire for change.
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Well, they're certainly going to get change, that's for sure. I hope they're happy sleeping in the bed they made.
No, they won't. Like it happened in 2020. The problem is that there might not be another chance to rectify this if project 2025 can truly happen.
No, they won’t.
There's certainly going to be change, just not the change any sane person actually wants.
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From what I’ve seen it’s people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.
This. Both the Biden and Harris campaign were focused on "it's not actually that bad, but it'll be worse under Trump". And for a lot of people, it IS that bad. All they heard from Harris was that it will be more of the same, and the same isn't working for a lot of Americans.
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It's not really all that complicated. The Democrats represent the status quo. The status quo sucks. The Republicans present themselves as an alternative to the status quo. So, people vote Republican.
All the centrist messaging just makes it worse. The Republicans can explain why things suck by scapegoating the poor and marginalized. But the Democrats won't call out the rich and powerful who are the actual reason things suck, so instead they just try to tell people that things don't suck at all. They "reach across the aisle" to people like Dick Cheney who are clearly part of the political establishment which only serves to help Trump present himself as an outsider. They adopt all these right-wing positions on immigration, the military, etc, but the people that appeals to already have a party waiting on them hand and foot, giving them exactly what they want. And all the bad shit he does doesn't matter to them because they believe in lesser evilism and hate the establishment.
Of course, Trump is part of the billionaire class and isn't any sort of real alternative to the existing system, but as long as Republicans are able to paint themselves that way, and are the only "alternative" game in town, people are going to turn to them when they dislike the way things are going, no matter how shitty they are.
I felt surprised and confused in 2016 when Trump won, but it's been 8 years. It's long past time to start figuring out where the Trump phenomenon came from.
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Granted I don't understand those people, but this difference between now and 2020 is lack of support for Harris, not increased support for Trump. I'll add people sitting at home to the list of people I don't want to associate with.
Trump is so far outperforming compared to 2020, its looking like he did increase his support. Definitely among younger people his numbers are significantly better than 2020.
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I agree that people are stupid for not understanding how terrible Trump was and will be. However, I think a big problem was that the DNC didn't provide an attractive alternative to excite these dummies.
There was very obviously support for Harris early on when the DNC made some progressive decisions. Getting rid of Biden was a progressive choice. Choosing Tim Walz was a progressive choice. The DNC was immediately rewarded for these progressive choices with $1 billion in small donor donations.
The DNC got arrogant and decided to aggressively move in a conservative direction. Harris started talking about how she would build the wall and prosecute immigrants. The DNC welcomed the Cheneys with open arms. Harris told interviewers that she would be more conservative than Biden by accepting more Republicans in her Cabinet.
The DNC actively threw away their progressive supporters and gained absolutely nothing in return because the voters they were courting would never have voted for Harris anyway. Racists gonna vote Trump. Moderate conservatives gonna secretly vote Trump. People who want Republicans in a Presidential Cabinet are obviously gonna vote Trump.
If the DNC just focused on stuff like being pro choice or going into detail about fighting price gouging, that would have been much more successful than trying to attract the mythical "Moderate Conservative".
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I think that for many of his voters, the system doesn't work anymore for them. So they want it to change and they only see this change possible with Trump and Vance. Very sad.
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Great job, dipshits. I hope this personally impacts each and every person that voted for him.
Oh it definitely will. Just his tariff plans are gonna turn everywhere into a 3rd world country, not just the republican backwaters.
At this point, it's just desserts. The US had it coming for even letting him run in the first place. That being said, Republican backwaters are going to get fucked way harder than metro populations. Poor boomers are going to get wiped out without social security, Medicaid, or kids that love them anymore. The south can enjoy the next hurricane without FEMA aid. Have fun watching your loved ones get deported because you thought this only impacted "illegals", assholes. I have my popcorn ready.
Fuck em.
Unfortunately it's worse than this. It seems like the GOP has successfully indoctrinated a new generation if incel supporters in high enough numbers to matter. If this trend continues the boomers can die and we'll still be fucked.
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It's going to impact an enormous amount of people who didn't vote for him either though.
Its also going to impact the other 2/3rd of voters that dont give a fuck and dont vote at all. I hate this country so much
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As an Australian watching this all unfold I just can't believe you guys did it again.
We can't either
Seconded. The first time I was willing to write it off as frustrated voters being misled by a conman. This time is different. You all had four years under this rapist conman and enough people decided they'd go back for seconds. Despicable.
Doesn't help they ran an unpopular candidate. I voted for Harris but too many racist sexiest people in America in both parties. Hell I heard democrats that joked when they voted for Obama that they voted for his white half. Harris was half black and half Indian. Also lot of black men wouldn't cote for a woman especially one of color. And I heard a lot of Indian hated that she half black.
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As a fellow Australian, I don't understand why you're surprised.
"Hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil" may be pragmatic, but it doesn't get people emotionally engaged. It doesn't get you infectious enthusiasm and passion. It gets you reluctant, dejected compliance, and that simply does not catch fire.
On the other side you have nothing but emotional engagement; god knows it's not a rational or pragmatic choice there. Trump does nothing but pander to hatred and cruelty and fear and the power fantasies of gullible idiots, and it fucking works. Cheap shallow emotional satisfaction, no matter how stupid an idea it is. You know, like junk food and binge drinking and cigarettes and pokies; things that people know full well are ruining their lives, but they continue to seek them out regardless.
If the dems ever want to win, they will have to make the progressives fall in love with them, and you don't get that by backing genocide unconditionally, you just don't.
They didn't get the oh-god-yes, just a not-no, and that does not equal consent.
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Jesus fucking Christ not again
Actually it's not gonna be "again". It's gonna be way, way worse.
I really feel for the billions of people, including my fucking self, who didn't get a vote but who still have to suffer the consequences of this.
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And they won the Senate and are on track to win the house. The supreme Court is already in Trump's pocket and even if he choked on a big Mac and keeled over tomorrow that still leaves Vance, who is just as insane as trump but knows how to make his shit palatable to anyone who hasn't been paying attention, which as tonight proves is more than half the country. We are 1000% well and truly fucked.
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Dear anyone that voted for this useless cunt,
You are fucking retarded. Thanks for ruining everything for the rest of us, dipshit.
With absolutely no love, any creature with an actual brain.
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Welp, I'm going to skip work tomorrow and figure out how to get citizenship elsewhere. Fuck the US.
How much do you make? I'm up for some light marriage fraud if you'd like a Finnish citizenship.
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I can't fucking believe we did it to ourselves again I'm completely in shock, this is fucking ridiculous.
I would say the same thing but just drive a car somewhere some time. People are the stupidest most selfish garbage you can imagine. And nothing brings that behavior out of them like driving a car.
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I guess it's confirmed. Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
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This is somehow less of a gut-punch than 2016 when everyone just assumed Americans would do the right thing and not elect Trump. It still sucks, but it’s less of a surprise. The writing was kind of on the wall for awhile though, just given the fact that the election was as close as it was. Even if Trump hadn’t won, that he was able to run the most garbage campaign in history and was still tying it up was pretty damning of America.
So now we watch as we just peacefully transfer power to the most vile, irresponsible person on Earth and watch the world burn.
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Where do mariginalized people go now?
To the camps, I think?
I'll be there once he gets to the gay part of the list.
Gays have a year or two before they are swept into the camps I think. First on the list will be immigrants and trans people in red states. That phase will begin in January. That will take 18 months at least. If they are as incompetent as they've been in the past, this phase could take the entire four years until his 3rd term.
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Welp. Remember guys save money. Those tariffs are gonna hit hard. Make friends, they will help you get through harder times. Workout and become physically stronger, you may need it. Archive books and studies and pieces of knowledge that may get banned.
And for right now, drink some water and go to sleep. No need in worrying about this right now. We'll have plenty of time to do so anyways.
It’s just so sad that people can look at this shit like Project 2025 and think let’s go for that. Ignore Trump and his calls for being a dictator but what the fuck. I am so disappointed in my fellow Americans. I do not look forward to having this shit stain being shoved in my face with his inability to speak a clear thought.
I feel physically sick right now. I don't have the money to leave. I'm an openly gay man. We're headed for a christofascist dictatorship. I just wanted to stay alive long enough to bury my mother, that's all, and I probably won't get to, not in the new American Reich. I know Harris winning wouldn't fix every problem this country has but please fuck not like this
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At this point a meteorite nuking our planet is probably better for everyone.
I guess people really do want fascism. We talk about it like it's an obviously-awful thing, but apparently most Americans disagree. Most people around the world seem to disagree, in fact. We laugh about the idiots voting for Trump, but far right lunatics are gaining positions of power all over the planet. It's not just Fox News-fed Americans.
It feels like we're building up to something catastrophic.
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Jon Stewart on this
I love hearing a positive message right now.
But we just observed the majority wanting the racist misogynist horror show. Hard work doesn't fix that.
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