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[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Apparently it's the button you press to get banned from a community.

ASK ME HOW I KNOW

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] the_post_of_tom_joad 5 points 2 months ago

So stuupid 😆

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A lot of those are joke downvotes, well mine was.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I downvote anyone complaining about downvote out of principle.

[–] southsamurai 4 points 2 months ago

I'll also down vote anyone using up votes as some kind of metric for their post/comment being inherently right/good

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Mine wasn't.

Communities trying to have alternate meanings for upvotes/downvotes must keep in mind that people scrolling posts across communities won't generally notice the community and if they do they won't read the rules and will vote however they want. Trying to force them to follow some silly community specific process is tilting at windmills and bitching about it is embarrassing.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Fr like if you don't like the way people are using the downvote feature why make a post whinging about it and not just make your account on an instance that has it disabled???

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

aren't they the instance admin themselves?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Indeed, and this is a pinned post on Ye Power Trippin' Bastards. Posters ask if their bans were justified. Downvotes bury the post, preventing an audience from making their opinion about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Even funnier tbh

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sadly one can't disable downvotes per community

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Because it has a legit use. It's just also used to create an echo chamber.

If you believe that people can be just a little responsible, it's better to have it around.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, just add a 'disagree' button so there's no confusion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

That's just the Uber disagree button now.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

It's a bit of an unwinnable battle. People will always use it as disagree button

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I'll stop using the downvotes as a disagree button when everyone else stops using upvotes as an agree button.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I actually think up- and downvotes are inherently asymmetrical in this respect.

Upvoting things you agree with is fine and a main use of the function. Why then is downvoting things you disagree with wrong? Because the purpose of voting is visibility, you upvote things you want people to see, like arguments you agree with, and downvote those you don't think people should see.

Now if you believe in having an open discussion you don't want to suppress posts just because you disagree with them. Disagreeing is fine, so downvoting is reserved for posts that detract from the conversation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

you upvote a comment saying they love cats
you ignore a comment saying they don't like cats
you downvote a comment saying they hate cats because cats are evil
and you report a comment saying they eat cats

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Downvotes are definitely a disagree button and anyone denying it is just coping or lying about their own usage of it. Reddiquette was the worst thing that ever happened to internet culture

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Reddiquette was the worst thing that ever happened to internet culture

I can agree that they end up being a disagree button in practice, but you're saying they should be a disagree button?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Earnest question- what is it supposed to be used for? I don't downvote people very often, but I think I've only ever seen it used express approval or disapproval so that the score reflects community sentiment

How is it supposed to be used?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In addition to what others said, in comments the down vote is meant to be used on comments that don't further discussion in good faith.

I used to subscribe to that idea, but I've since changed my mind. If the far majority use upvotes to mean agreement, then me upvoting a controversial, but well structured, opinion will likely be viewed as agreement as well.

It's a nice idea to think the voting system is meant to promote discussion, instead of homogenise opinions in a community.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that's kind of the nature of communication I think, and ultimately votes are a form of communication :/

If people understand them to mean agreement or disagreement, that's the message they'll recieve regardless of whether it was the message that you were trying to send.

I guess if I wanna convey I appreciate someone's contribution even though I don't share their perspective I can always leave a comment; that seems like something I'd appreciate seeing in my inbox so maybe it's worthwhile for me to make that a habit

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah that's something I do sometimes as well. I usually just don't vote on a comment as a third option for when I disagree with them, but don't want to punish having a different viewpoint ^^

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

when a post doesn't fit the community purpose or is generally inappropriate

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that where you use the report functionality?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

This post does not present the requisite context, which is that this community is a bit special in comparison to others. Read the sidebar text where it explains more how the mod wants people to use it differently. On Reddit there were some others like that, e.g. CMV, and had different-styled icons to help people realize that - before the days where people just expected every single sub to function identically so that they could bother not reading the sub rules before posting or commenting in it.

e.g.:

Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Ok but even if its for something else everyone else is still using it for that. And on another note, why shouldnt i use it to show disapproval?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

It's a tool for curating the content, upvote posts you want people to see, and downvote those you think should be hidden. So stuff that's irrelevant, factually incorrect, pointless, inflammatory etc.

Thinking that something should be hidden just because you disagree with it is problematic.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yes they are. No matter the intent that is what they are.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Spot on. Upvotes/downvotes are for voting on the quality of comment only in theory. In practice, they are agree/disagree buttons.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I always thought a downvote was just a silent "Booooooooooo!"

[–] zqps 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's what it should be, a "booo!" for lazy and willfully ignorant comments.

In practice most people downvote any take they disagree with, no matter if it was expressed well, written respectfully, and contributes to the conversation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

As a rule of thumb I downvote any post that mentions being downvoted or complains about the reaction to a post or comment.

I will give this whole thread a pass, though 🙂

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

It would be interesting to see how people would behave if you had both a "Disagree" and a "Low Quality" button. Would it make any difference, or would people who dislike it also hit the low quality button out of spite?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think this kind of voting system intentionally places the content people want to see (i.e. agree with), at the top which increases active users.

But it doesn't stimulate healthy debate and definitely doesn't encourage going against the mainstream.

Slashdot had a more interesting system that let only a select number of people rank quality and set a post category (like funny, informative, etc).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think it's a nice sentiment, but you can't change emergent behavior just by saying "this is wrong"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

This is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh no, what would an online community look like without a downvote button?

[–] dream_weasel 3 points 2 months ago

Facebook. It would look like Facebook.

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