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TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.

YT Video (5min)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

What's an alternative to explorer?

Unfortunately, just switch to Linux is not an option.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

You can prevent recall from running and collecting data, you just can't remove it entirely without breaking some features. I don't think you can replace the file explorer, it's your desktop n stuff as well as file exploring, but preventing recall from running might be your best bet. Or, alternatively, if you don't use the features that you lose in file explorer by removing recall then you might be fine just removing recall and continuing on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What do you have against Linux?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

As much as I love it, it just doesn't work for some people or situations.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Wow this is doesn't affect me at all thank fully

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Someone deserving of his thanks, clearly

[–] [email protected] 61 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I remember them doing this with Internet Explorer back in the 90s.

"We can't remove this thing we don't want to remove! Look! It's hastily integrated with the OS! We can't remove it ever!"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

yep exactly my thoughts. IE couldn't be ripped off a Windows computer at all

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

It still can’t.. Hidden somewhere deep in windows, there is still a IE, believe me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

At very least there's an OCX for InteractiveHtmlView or some stuff. It's how South Korean banks apps run. I think even the EU-specific "unbundled IE" versions still have that ActiveX / OLE control registered, though it might be crippled.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Explorer has had so many dependencies attached to it that if even one of them sneezes, the entire desktop environment crashes and has to restart.

Actually insane when you think about it. Why the hell is a file explorer the root process of the desktop??????

I've only ever forced stopped thunar once and it was because I was messing with some thumbnail settings. Naturally the rest of my system worked as normal, as well as the other thunar windows open lol.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

Looking at you microsoft store rdp manager. Crashing explorer when I dare to leave something in the clipboard.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There is a setting somewhere IIRC (or at least there was) where you can separate file browser processes from the "main" explorer.exe process so you can kill individual Explorer windows but not the whole environment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Yes. It is (or at least it was, don't know about Windows 11) in the Folder Settings.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I had to kill nautilus a few times back in the day and nothing but the background remained until I restarted nautilus. But ymmv

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

But but muh Linux is better.

Though to be fair, Linux has had some great developments!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

screw Microsoft..i hope people will consider to switch to Linux

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I switched to Linux mint about 6mo ago now. No regrets. Works so smooth

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm done with the project requiring me to keep Windows. But going back to Linux after 15 years is like starting new. Ik mint was always considered one of the best for novices. Any others?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago

I have a long term project to migrate my machines, and the introduction of recall pressured me to move faster, but I still have some hurdles to overcome that just require a time sink on my part.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

how the fuck do you even begin making recall a dependency for explorer?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

Easy. For example: You could take something stupid like the controller for the background colour, move it into the recall.exe and have the file explorer reference the function inside the recall.exe. So whenever someone deletes the recall.exe the file explorer will crash because it can't find how to set it's background.

It's complete bullshit, but it would work. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] [email protected] 28 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I can't say how. But I can guess why.

"Sorry, can't remove it. It's a system dependency"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 21 hours ago

It's the Microsoft way

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

Windows Debloat Tool:

https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools

I run this on any new Win install. I also suggest Portmaster so you know where your data is going (I use it on Linux too!)

https://safing.io/

However, if you can, it is really worth switching to Linux. Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool. Windows is making a product. Enough said.

If people would like to "try Linux before you buy," check out DistroSea. It spins up a virtual machine of whatever distro and flavour you choose to try.

https://distrosea.com/

There are a surprising and growing number of Linux compatible tools. Software is usually why people have a hard time switching. If you're dependent on Photoshop/Adobe, check out:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

Gamers should check out:

https://www.protondb.com/

This site shows how well games run on Proton (compatibility tool) and people offer solutions to get them running if there's any snags.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool.

And that's exactly how it feels to non-programmers or not-enthusiasts jus trying to exist.
And those devs (not all but more or less most) will troubleshoot and gear it towards how they see fit with less newbie testing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

And all the webapps work well on Linux, so you have the MS office apps and the apple iCloud apps (by just having an account there). Even for photo editing, there are web app solutions, these days.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

DaVinci Resolve is not a replacement for Photoshop/Adobe as a whole, but it is a decent replacement for Adobe products AfterEffects and Premier.

For Photoshop alternatives, I'd start with GIMP for photo editing or Krita for illustration and digital painting.

I'm still on Windows because my drawing app of choice is Clip Studio Paint, which has no Linux version. I've read and watched several guides to getting CSP running on Linux, but it still scares me off.

But this Recall thing is so insidious to me... I might try to get it working on Linux anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

I've been a LONG time user of Adobe, grew up with PhotoDeluxe and pre-suite Photoshop and used every version of Cretive Suite since my parents ran a graphic design business. I made all my high school essays in InDesign CS4. Suffice to say, growing bitter over proprietary software in the last few years has been painful but I'm doing my best to move to only FOSS.

There was a point in time I tried replacing Premiere with DaVinci Resolve, but I quickly noticed it was oriented for color correction, and some of its features for composition were locked behind Fusion. These days, if you can believe it, I do all my video editing in Blender. It's still got a long way to go, but since v4 the VSE has gotten really good. I'd like to try kdenlive when I finish migrating to Linux, but on Windows it basically doesn't support GPU encoding which is a dealbreaker for me.

Adobe Fresco is replaced quite well by Krita. It has a learning curve but is far more powerful as a result. I'm still learning but I'm impressed.

I don't really like Scribus, but I don't really have a need for software like InDesign, so I haven't had to worry about it.

I've used Inkscape way back just because it was portable when Illustrator wasn't. It was pretty minimal back then but I can see it's grown greatly in depth. The workflow is enough to be disruptive, but not too badly to work through I think.

And finally the titan, Photoshop. It's such a massive and ubiquitous software that it simply cannot be replaced by any single program. At least since I moved to drawing in Fresco I don't use PS for that, but again Krita is a fine replacement. Pixel art in PS is very normal too, but that's replaced quite nicely by Aseprite, it's more capable in that space and still quite easy to use if you don't know its features. It's the photo editing and general purpose image editing that's the real challenge. I keep hoping that version 3 of GIMP will magically fix its problems, but in the meantime it's frustratingly clear that it's built by software engineers, not artists, but it's often made out that it's everybody else's burden to forget everything they know and start from scratch to learn its special workflow. There's an interesting patch someone made called PhotoGIMP that's supposed to improve that, but I haven't spent enough time with it to really say. Currently my only alternative is Photopea. It works great right now, but I don't like that it's a web app and not FOSS. I really hope I can eventually find an alternative that I can finally be comfortable with.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

I love Krita!! I put my specialty software into a virtual machine, aka the shame box. You can disable networking for it. 😈

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

For years... well pretty much since I had a PC, I had a Windows partition. Why? Well because I (sadly) paid for the damn thing (damn OEM deals). Plus, I admit, sometimes they were things that only ran on Windows.

For few years now though, everything, literally, from the latest tech gadget to playing games to VR, works on Linux.

Few weeks ago I deleted the Windows partition. I didn't have to. I didn't boot on it for months. It didn't affect me.

Still, I now feel ... safer, more relaxed, coherent.

When I see shit like that, I feel even better!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

Yea about a year ago I switched entirely over to Linux. I am a system engineer so I have to deal with windows at work all the time but on my computer, I feel calm. Like I don't have to worry about my operating system. Windows is getting in the way more than it's helping 99% of the time now.

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