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i tried cast iron pans many summers ago. but i found myself never using it because cooking is already inconvenient enough and cast iron pans just add a whole other dimension of inconvenience. it also makes me nervous that they’re never/rarely ever cleaned with soap and water. it was also very difficult to find consistent instructions on how to care for them and use them safely. so now i just use stainless steel instead.
I had a housemate who fried sausage patties and eggs in my cast iron skillet every morning for a couple of years. Gave it a good wipe and that's it. I'd cook other things in it sometimes and wash it up if needed. The seasoning on that thing developed into a deep black that was so smooth you see your reflection in it and you could fry an egg without oil and it came off clean with just a nudge from the spatula. It was beautiful.
We went our separate ways and it quickly degraded back to a more normal "good enough" level of seasoning. It was great, but I'm not frying up a fancy breakfast every morning for it.
I'm a stainless steel enjoyer. Get that cast iron and teflon shit out of here.
wood and stainless steel is definitely the way to go. i don’t understand how nonstick seems to be the norm. are people not aware that the “nonstick” part of their pans is basically just plastic? and that it’s generally a bad idea to cook/eat/scratch plastic things?
Let me add to your comment...
"PFAS filled Teflon shit out of here."
My cast iron cookware exists out of survivors bias. Everything else has fallen apart in one capacity or another.
Sure, but everything else has fallen apart because I use them frequently. My cast iron pans sit in the back of the cupboard because it's heavy and things stick, so I might as well use something lighter.
If things are sticking to your cast iron it needs to be better maintained. Properly cleaned and seasoned fast irons don’t stick
The quick and dirty way is to wipe that bitch down with canola oil and bake it on high for about 30 minutes.
Thanks, I'll try it out.
why use a forever pan when you can have forever chemicals?
I never understood fans of cast iron. Its like still using candles for light, sure it gives a warming light, but electricity is cheaper, safer, and quicker to use for light. Same for pans, stainless steel have exactly the same use as cast iron without any of the inconvenience. Sure heating behavior is different, but who cares, you can get to the same results with stainless steel with a bit of experience... If you really want that "hipster cooking" feeling, just use copper, sure its way more expensive and you need to be extra careful, but its still better than to try using cast iron which is a real pain in the ass to use, making cooking twice as long as it should be... And for Teflon... it's shit, weak as hell and will give you cancer. Aluminum is shit too, still better than teflon and at least its the cheapest.
If you're buying modern garbage $10 pans from Dollar General don't be surprised when they're not performing as well as your Cuisinart SS. I have all SS and cast iron, and they both get about equal usage. CI is just better for meats. The higher heat conductivity and even temperature across the surface (with proper time to warm up) is incredibly useful. Searing is unsurpassable with CI. You can be rough with CI and it takes the beating in stride.
SS is better for quick heat and rapid changes in temperature. Boiling water, sauces, roux, etc.
I've had cast iron pans with old dinner remains sat in the bottom for 3 days, it comes off with hot water. And yes I use soap and water. If you use a good oil for seasoning and you set your pan up nicely you don't have to worry about babying the seasoning.
twice as long
If you're using CI for the right use cases it is WAY faster than aluminum. As I said, the heat transfer of iron is extremely good compared to thin walled aluminum or stainless. CI will cook chicken very fast. It's all down to knowing your tools and using them correctly.
I can tap a nail into a wall with pliers, doesn't mean they won't do the job as well as a hammer.
I cook with cast iron almost daily, all I do is scrub it with hot water and let it dry, and it's ready for the next day.
Nothing cooks fried eggs as well as my cast iron pan. Fried eggs, scrambled eggs, french scramble, omelettes, any kind of eggs. Sometimes I use it for sausage too.
I use stainless for everything else.
It seems obvious you purchase equipment for restaurants. /s
Quite a hot take there. You ignored carbon steel in the conversation.
A large number of restaurants use rolled carbon steel or cast iron for searing and shallow frying.
Well, I found it to be easier than stainless. I know how to use stainless in theory, but I never managed to use it properly. lol
I realized there's a hipster factor around it but I really find it easy to cook a lot of things without thinking twice. I'm only careful when I clean it.
Yeah, cast iron is a giant pain. I have a relatively heavy steel pan, which is fantastic for cooking anything I would cook on a cast-iron pan because it retains heat well, and it's easier to clean.
Screw cast iron, the only cast iron thing I like is my enamel-coated pot for soups, and that's because it avoids pretty much everything about cast iron except heat retention.
I’ve had one for roughly 15 years and use it almost every day. I most often use it as a baking pan or for grilling things. Not much sticks to it and what does is easily scrubbed off. I don’t season it in any meticulous way, just put a coat of cooking oil on and toss it in the oven every few months. I don’t cook acidic things in it - that is the rare time I use the stainless. I definitely understand why some don’t like the weight but I’m used to it.
Really? I've never had luck frying eggs on a cast iron pan, they always seem to get mangled because they stick inconsistently. I guess I could dump a ton of oil on it? That seems... excessive.
You need to start the pan hotter. They only stick for me if I cook them without preheating the pan.
Perhaps, but I'm used to cooking on stainless steel, so I'm guessing it's hot enough? But I'll certainly try again, I like the idea of cast iron, just haven't had a good experience so far.
I'm honestly surprised it took this long before Teflon and PFAS in general became a more public issue.
Especially after project farm showed how easy it is to scratch the coating material. I think only like 2 pans actually held up somewhat in hardness.
Not objective by any measure, but I don't think ingesting dissolved iron is as bad as dissolved Teflon.
Some would even say that ingesting dissolved iron is required for your health.
I have a cast iron pan. Pros - it'll last forever if you look after it, it doesn't contain PFAS and generally it is non-stick enough to not be a nuisance. Cons - heavy AF, needs to be cleaned and dried after use & not in a dishwasher. I haven't tried to cook anything acidic in it yet but it does okay for steaks, eggs, mushrooms, sauces that I have used it for.
I still use soap and a plastic scrubber on mine and just dry it on the hob for a bit. I haven't had to reseason it yet but I imagine it will be a pain in the ass when I do. I have seen part of the seasoning flake off but it normally self heals with more cooking.
So it's okay overall but I think lack of PFAS and the fact that this thing will last a lifetime are the clinchers. Even if you have non-stick buy one of these and use it by default. I expect a stainless steel pan would be good too for same reasons.
Look for antique CI and you'll get less weight. I love CHF (Chicago Hardware Foundry) and BSR (Birmingham something something...) pans because they're thinner casting and smooth finish. I also have some Antiques from the 19th C that get regular use. I can't stand modern pans. They are all way too heavy, and that pebbled surface is a pain in the ass to cook on and clean. It's no wonder people hate cast iron
Don’t care, use carbon steel
My biggest gripe with Teflon, after the whole PFAS problem, is that you have to baby it. I never was able to find a plastic spatula that worked well for any application. At worst, some are so darn floppy it's like trying to flip an fried egg with another fried egg. Not to mention, the leading edge would eventually melt and deform sending plastic shreds everywhere over time.
The things you can do cooking-wise with metal tooling just get you more control and better results. Any pan/pot that lets you do that is going to help your overall cooking experience. Plus, even if you don't go carbon steel or iron - say, stainless or even glass - de-glazing the pan with some water and heat from the range can make short work of cleaning.
One last point to this rant: your favorite cooking shows are lying to you softly. Your cookware are tools - they're gonna get fucked up. Used things eventually get scratched, stained, singed, dented, and that's okay; I promise you they're not unsanitary because they're in this state. Those stainless pans with mirror-perfect surfaces, or carbon steel skillets with that pristine golden hue, they're new; you usually see new product on camera thanks to sponsors and the general optics of the thing. Teflon pans hold out this false promise of pristine cook surfaces that just aren't realistic. And in practice, even those awful things do not go the distance. So yeah, reject modernity and all that. You'll be okay.
it's so much better than stainless
debatable but i think so
it takes a little maintenance
everything needs maintenance in the sense that you have to clean it. jokes aside, the only maintenance it needs is to burn oil in it if the seasoning got a little damaged for any reason
can't cook anything tomato based
you can, it's not great but won't ruin it
eight coats of oil you have to burn onto it before you can use it
that's not true, all cast iron pans come pre-seasoned from the factory
you can cook fried eggs and steak
that is true
even after seasoning it everything will still stick to the pan
not really, it's pretty non-stick
to clean it you gotta heat it up then dry salt scrub then re-season
not really, you only need to do that if the seasoning got damaged
if water ever touches it the entire thing will disintegrate
that's not true, you'd have to leave it in water for days to get it to rust
things that aren't mentioned: you gotta use it regularly otherwise it gets sticky; you can use metal tools like knives and spatulas directly in the pan that would demolish any teflon; the seasoning is more resilient than people think, you can even wash it with dish soap; the seasoning actually gets stronger when you fry fatty things in it (grilled cheese, steaks, eggs, sausages); it's very simple, durable, rustic, old technology, and incredibly cheaper than skillets of a similar quality (excluding cheap teflon pans); you can unrust it in your garage and even weld it back together if it breaks, which is sick as hell.