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Ukraine has the right under international law to attack military targets located in Russian territory, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said during an interview on the United News telethon July 14.

United States policy prohibits Ukrainian forces from using U.S.-supplied weapons to strike targets deep within Russia. President Volodymyr Zelensky has called on Washington to lift restrictions, saying the ability to use long-range U.S. weapons such as ATACMS within Russia and occupied Crimea would produce "an instant result."

In the interview, Stoltenberg affirmed Ukraine's right to self-defense.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I don't know how there is even a discussion. It's a war, two sides shoot each other.

If you start a war, expect to be attacked. If you help one side in a war by providing weapons, expect them to be used.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There has been an attempt at a balancing act by USA and Europe, and while Europe has abandoned the idea, USA is keeping it.
The idea is that if Russia lose to much to quickly, it may destabilize Russia, and that could create a dangerous situation with the Russian nukes.
So USA was sort of in a Limbo, that Russia could not be allowed to win, but they couldn't be allowed to lose and be destabilized either.

This idea however is becoming less and less popular in USA, and there is speculation that USA will soon lift these restrictions.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Solution: Here Ukraine, here's some nukes. Finlsnd, you get some nukes too, hey all the baltic states besides Belarus gets nukes!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, just look at what happens to states without nukes. Gaddafi himself agreed to give up his nukes and how did that turn out for Libya?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No no. I'm not saying those states give up their nukes. As far as I know Ukraine doesn't have any.

I'm saying the USA supply those places nukes to get Putin to calm down.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

He's agreeing with you

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sorry, seems to be a misunderstanding, I'm supporting that idea using Libya as a negative example of what bad things can happen when you don't have them. They went from an African Economic powerhouse to an open air slave state all under the orders of a President that won a nobel peace prize.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Ukraine has had nukes before. Maybe this time if the codes aren’t kept in Moscow the attitude will change

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Taiwan next!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I was banned from World [email protected] for agreeing with this. Of course they have the right to strike at Russia. They are at war.

[–] lurch 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I suspect they mostly didn't want their tech being examined by russia too easily, but at some point there will be so many scrap parts behind the front it doesn't matter any more.

[–] Bronzie 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah I mean, they use then in Crimea which the russians still hold, so it doesn’t really make sense.

Looking forward to the policy change

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm tempted to offer Florida to Russia if they sign a peace deal

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Isn't there a Geneva convention against inflicting such horror on an enemy?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

They do have experience dealing with Georgians.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Good to see for Ukraine.