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Mental health tip (lemmy.world)
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[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Be sure to lecture mentally ill people about how they don't need that medication and shouldn't be taking it as well.

[-] [email protected] 59 points 4 days ago
[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

I just need like 500 business cards with this on it.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Right up there with the people who ignore me, leave me alone or exclude me when I'm down. I'm depressed because I'm being excluded and feel isolated, jackasses.

"Just show up and do the thing, you're always welcome!" (Ever tried just showing up when you've been removed from being told where the weekly thing even is and no one answers when asked?)

The amount of oblivious hypocrisy I've run into while navigating the deep blue is astounding.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I think it helps to give people the benefit of the doubt instead of jumping to accusations of hypocrisy. And if it really keeps happening, you know you won't fit with that group anyways so best to move on.

This way you deal with the actions you don't like people doing in a way that doesn't cause a negative mindset.

Although I will admit, its not like its the easiest thing to just find a new friend group in general so it could get tiring for sure.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

It's really a health thing in general. If someone tells you they're struggling with an illness, they almost certainly do not want you to be an armchair doctor. They're almost certainly telling it to you for a reason other than getting medical advice from you unless they specifically ask for it.

Not only do some people not take no for an answer, some people actually get incredibly irate about it. I had someone here on Lemmy literally start harassing me in different communities and repeatedly in PM because their so-called medical advice, which was already discounted by my doctors, was not taken seriously.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Your post mentioned medical advice so many times I can only assume you're looking for some, so here: whatever you do, avoid being gamma radiated in space. Otherwise, you might become a member of the fantastic four, which will be horrible for your mental health.

That bit about reminding you in different communities to avoid being gamma radiated in space sounds effective but also like a lot of work. Could you just copy/paste the above paragraph to the bottom of all your future comments to save me some effort? Thanks!

Hope you're able to eat more these days and that your issue isn't an early symptom of turning into a member of the fantastic four.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

"it could be worse"

Like yeah mother fucker I'm trying to prevent that exact thing

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

My brother, who never had a struggle in his life, came up with the solution to all mental health problems. "You should get a different mindset". He should get a Nobel price. We can scrap psychology. We just need to get a different mindset. Autism? Mindset. PTSD? Mindset. Depression? Mindset. Personality disorder? Mindset! Boom! I'm cured! I've had years of useless therapy, had over 20 therapists, but my brother is a genius and knows how to fix it in an instant. *longest and deepest sigh possible.

A big issue we have in society is that we're not allowed to feel bad. Whenever someone feels bad in any way, people are panicking and trying to fix it, make someone happy. Accepting someone feels bad and allowing the sadness to be there already helps a lot. Sadness needs to be there too and needs time to process. Cramping it away because everyone needs to be happy all the time only makes everything worse.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Tell him he's technically not wrong, but mindet surgery does not exists and it takes endless effort, time and help to change.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Yeah, it's the same argument as "when your arm is amputated, why not just grow it back?". I mean, sure, that's a great option if you don't want to live without an arm, just an option we don't have with the current tech.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Just splice in some newt DNA

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Damn. I've never thought if that. That's genius!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Yes, that's my point.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago

Not depression, but ...

I have a friend with a bit of "resting bitch face". Someone screamed at her from across the street to "smile and be happy, it's a great day!"

She was like, I was happy ....

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

In the closet transfem person but as far as everyone is aware I look like a male to people

I've been told to cheer up by a male person in public once so it can happen

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

that's just sexism. no one tells men to be happy when they walk around looking like someone shat in their cereal

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

I am a man. I also have resting b1tch face. I get told to "smile" or "cheer up" on a weekly basis

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Uh not correct. Tall angry looking dudes get told all the time to 'smile'.

Of course, it's also aimed at women for sexist reason, I got told to smile so many times as an angry looking dude. Then I'm walking around with my daughter and this full on 30 something grown ass adult man tells her to smile. I could have rage fisted him into the fucking sun at midnight, The pure burning hate that flooded my viens at that moment decreased my life span by 3 years. I could have poured it down his entire being. Instead I told him she'll do whatever she wants with her face, and he can fuck off.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Elderly old man with a resting bitch face here. People don't say 'cheer up' to me, but have frequently asked my wife why I'm so angry.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I wouldn't bet on that, you'd be wrong.

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago

And if you have asthma, don't worry, just take a deep breath :)

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I'm fighting depression, but depression brought a gun and I thought we were supposed to be boxing.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Guess you've gotta find some kevlar then.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

I'd rather have a right hook to the face, thanks

[-] Jax 4 points 3 days ago

Just don't be sad, it's so simple.

Just like being poor, simply have more money!

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

rolls eyes how you know someone hasn't struggled with real mental health issues.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

The first time that happened to me - she said it in not those words but in a more subtle way - I was shocked. It took me a few moments to ingest the complete lack of empathy.

[-] Apytele 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Likely to be an unpopular comment, but a lot of people use this mindset to avoid practicing making the subtle but consistent changes in their thought patterns that they would need to to break out of and away from depression-causing thought patterns.

"You should start incorporating small gratitude practices into your daily life to eventually train your brain to focus on less negative aspects of the world"

=/=

"Can't you just cheer up."

I guess the better way to phrase it to normies is that this is definitely not a change that happens overnight. It can take years even.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I believe you just described cognitive behavioral therapy.

[-] Apytele 1 points 2 days ago

Almost in exact terms, yes. You should've seen the other guy in the thread that ran with the assumption that I was telling people to not go to therapy...?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's definitely true, but I think the problem ends up being that when you're in the hole of depression, that kind of interpretation is against your current thought pattern. People say the latter as shorthand for the former, but when depressed that shorthand breaks down because the stupid fucking depression gets in the way and just says "yeah, but you can't cheer up no matter what, because you're depressed."

It's ridiculous cyclical logic, but it seems perfectly fine unless directly contradicting by someone else being very blunt (like with the more detailed example you gave)

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

If someone is fighting depression and builds up the courage to reach out to you be sure to say "aren't we all" then provide zero support. This will make then feel like they aren't struggling alone.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

So is there anything that I should or should not say /do?

[-] Apytele 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Honest answer? The biggest thing you as an individual can do to combat the mental health crisis is to help plan, create, and maintain social groups and spaces.

I'm over telling people to check on each others' mental health (as the primary intervention) because it leads to a hyperfixation on mental health symptomology. It also minimizes the importance of loose acquaintences to mental health; people who you can absolutely have plenty of casual social interaction with, but who you're not actually close enough to talk to all that intimately with.

TLDR; you should absolutely still check on your friends, but the best thing you can do is host more weed-free and alcohol-free parties and other casual in-person gatherings for your social and hobby groups (substances can be ok and fun, but a looot of people really need more gatherings away from them). Social isolation is on the rise and just telling everyone to constantly trauma dump has NOT been helping.

[-] Voroxpete 1 points 3 days ago

OK, I'm not a mental health professional, so take this with a grain of salt, but...

Be there. That's really the most important thing you can do. Just be there. Be a friend. Get them to come over and watch some anime, invite them along to board game night. Just be a friend. Companionship doesn't cure bad mental health, but loneliness often makes it much worse.

Be encouraging. The problem with "cheer up" is not only that it's trite, but also that it assumes they're doing something wrong. Don't give advice, give compliments.

If someone trusts you, be willing to push back a little when they're engaging in maladaptive thought patterns. Gently, of course, but be willing to call them out, to say "Hey, you're doing that thing where you assume the worst outcome is the most likely" or whatever. But be careful with this; you're not their therapist.

Help with the little things. Are they hydrated? Did they forget to eat? Have they not slept? Did they take their meds? You can't solve mental health with good food and exercise, but conversely being tired or hungry or thirsty can amplify symptoms a lot. Encourage them to be your gym buddy or go running together, or play some paintball. If you're going out for groceries, ask if they want to come with; maybe you've got a car and they don't, and it would really help just to have someone drive them to the store and back while you're on the way.

Be careful about gift giving. Buying someone lunch is just what friends do, but don't take it too far. Often it's better to let them do something nice for you. If someone feels worthless, it can be a big deal just buying lunch for a friend. Feeling like they've tangibly improved someone else's life. Even if you're flush and they're broke, don't turn them down if they want to do something nice for you. Instead maybe use it as an excuse to bond more; "OK, you got this one, but next time we get coffee it's on me." Now there has to be a next time you get coffee.

When they want to talk about their struggles, listen. But don't try to force them to open up. Again, you're not their therapist.

Watch out for signs of struggling. If someone doesn't do well in crowds, but wants to come to a big gathering anyway, be the person who's ready to say "Hey, do you want to get out of here?" when you can see that they're at their limit. And when you bail on the party together, maybe say "Sorry guys I've got an early start tomorrow so we're heading out." A lot of the time people don't want to single themselves out, but if you make an excuse for both of you that puts the "blame" on yourself, it's less stress for them.

Don't force socialising to always be an active thing; parallel play is really important for a lot of people. It can really mean a lot just to sit in a room with them playing on your Steamdeck while they write notes for their fanfic with their music blasting.

Be patient. When someone snaps at you, or blows off plans, or says something that was maybe a little hurtful, remember that it's not really about you. They're struggling with a disease, and a lot of the time that disease is going to make them act in ways that are hurtful to other people. That doesn't mean you shouldn't call people out for their bad behaviour, but be gentle and ready to forgive. You'd want the same from them.

And above all else, remember that they're a person, not a list of symptoms, and there is no right answer that fits every person. Depending on who they are, everything I've written could be terrible advice. You have to just take your time and get to know them. When you screw up, apologize and ask how you can do better. Remember, you experience their disease in small moments; they live with it all the time.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

My Boss noticed I had been down lately. She said "She was depressed once, then she started going out with friends once a week. That was 20 years ago and shes been cured since". True story.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Make sure they know a daily walk could cure them, so they don't have to bother with a doctor. (I'm being facetious, seeking medical help is the first step to knowing and treating, depression can be a symptom of many medical, treatable, issues)

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Have you tried not being depressed? /s

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