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[-] [email protected] 147 points 2 weeks ago

Hey now. Rogue One is out there.

[-] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago

Definitely a top 4 Star Wars movie. Possibly top 2.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

I really loved that one character has a French accent, because he's from the planet France.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

Oh god, the horror of having a completely french planet.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

french planet would have quebecouis moon that thinks they're better than the planet

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Despite some of the stupif shit like explaining why his name is Solo I liked the han solo movie too

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

I'm ok with all of the stupid stuff except for that scene. It's Star Wars, it's fine to be stupid, but "my name is Han and I'm here by myself" crossed the line.

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[-] Voroxpete 22 points 2 weeks ago

Andor is the kind of show where I would literally recommend it to someone who hates Star Wars. It's just such an incredibly raw, powerful, and vital piece of media. One of the finest works of anti-fascist art I've seen in a long time.

Anyone who hasn't watched that show is robbing themselves. Moments like "one way out" and Luthen's "sacrifice" monologue are going to live with me for a long time. Season 2 can't come soon enough.

Also B2EMO is the best droid in all of Star Wars (Fun fact; his voice is the puppeteer's, but it wasn't supposed to be. They were planning to overdub, but then the guy did such an amazing job on the set that they just gave him the role).

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Andor worked despite being Star Wars, not because of it. It very well could be even better for people who don't like SW. Knowing how it fits into the larger universe is nice, but it isn't required. It's just a good anti-fascist freedom fighter story that happens to use Star Wars language and aesthetics.

[-] Voroxpete 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm not sure I fully agree there. I think it's absolutely accurate to say that Andor didn't need to be Star Wars. Like, you absolutely could file all the serial numbers off and get a show that works in more or less exactly the same way.

With that said, I think Andor absolutely benefits from being Star Wars, in a couple of a ways.

The first is that they can skip all the broad strokes world building. We don't need the concept of the galactic empire explained to us, or the general structure of how the senate works, and so on. The big pieces are all in place, so they can get straight to the small scale world building instead. This would be a solvable problem if you were creating something new, but its definitely nice that they get to skip straight to the important bits this way.

The second, bigger benefit (IMO) is the juxtaposition created by the tonal shift. Something that's very notable about Star Wars is that the tone and the content are often rather at odds with each other. George Lucas is on record as saying that in his mind the Rebellion were the Viet-Cong (with the obvious implication that the Empire is the USA). That's some fucking heavy shit. Luke's adoptive parents get brutally murdered by agents of the state, for absolutely no crime at all, and this inspires him to take up with a group of, well, terrorists. I mean, this is literally the same as a young Palestinian joining up with Hamas. Star Wars is about some really, really heavy shit, but it also starts with the line "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." This is a fairy-tale about magic space wizards, but also a story about insurgents blowing up a massive military installation, and eventually performing a coup and assassinating the head of state.

Over the years, the story around Star Wars has leaned increasingly into the "magic space wizards" side of things. It's seen as a family friendly property, something for kids to enjoy at Disneyland. The creators of Andor set out to intentionally shock the audience by creating something that leans hard away from that family friendly image. Andor is a fucking dark story, about desperate people adopting brutal methods in the face of brutal oppression.

And they're not just doing that for shock value. The point of this is to tell a story about the ways in which we idealise "rebels" in one breath and condemn "terrorists" in another. To many people, Luke is a hero, but that young man who joins up with Hamas is a monster. Reality is complicated and messy. Hamas are a real political group, with a real ideology, and despite the monstrous oppression they face, some of that ideology really sucks. Their targets aren't "Storm Troopers", they're often civilians, or conscripts. On the other hand, many of those conscripts behave in ways far more monstrous than anything the empire is ever depicted as doing.

Andor is a story about fascism, about the absolute necessity of resisting it, and about the monstrous personal cost that resistance can demand of us. By setting that story against the backdrop of a "family friendly" property I think it really does a lot to drive home the disconnect between our ideals of resistance and the cold, hard reality.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Andor was so well done that it stressed me out. The cheesy schlock of Bobafet was just what I needed.

[-] Voroxpete 8 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly, fair (and I say that as someone who is a huge, huge, HUGE fan of Andor). Like, if you're looking for some cheesy fun science fantasy schlock about space wizards, do not watch that show.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Honestly that's what made Andor so damn good. Not a whiff of The Force shenanigans. Just an ordinary guy trying to live his life and keep his head down, and that just isn't enough because of the level of corruption in The Empire.

One way out, indeed.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not a movie so it's fine. That and the Ewoks TV show ofc

What a banger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WFjM3QWKlE

[-] Varyk 52 points 2 weeks ago

I liked a lot of seven, but knowing that you'd have to eventually watch nine sort of invalidates the rest of that trilogy

[-] [email protected] 77 points 2 weeks ago

Never did watch 9. My biggest problem with 7 ?and other reboots like Jurassic World) is it was literally almost a rehash of 4, except with an even bigger “Death Star”. Rather than going for a unique plot.

[-] Varyk 33 points 2 weeks ago

I thought they did really well on coming up with new characters, and original stories, I enjoyed most of their arcs and adventures in 7.

The biggest death Star was the biggest letdown of that movie for sure.

But hoo boy, after I watched nine, my irritation at the laziness of a bigger death Star is nearly insignificant compared to some of the plot points in 9.

When I saw the starkiller I rolled my eyes, but I literally could have walked out during 9 from

spoilerthe knife and sith island

I was already bummed out at eight that there was no Luke or character development for finn.

Then all of nine was pretty bad but especially the idiotic plot device mentioned above and a couple other things ruined that trilogy for me and definitely tarnished my enthusiasm for 7

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Idk if original stories is something you can give it. The bigger death star is far from the only plot point lifted directly out of episode 4. Seriously, go back and watch ep 4 and ep 7 it's almost shot-for-shot (not really but for some of the story beats it could be).

Maybe what you're saying is that the character back stories are original which, kinda.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

The Force Awakens is pretty meh itself, but we were not prepared for what was coming. It feels as foreboding as rewatching Game of Thrones S5 or S6 and knowing that the deteriorating writing will only get worse.

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago

Lies, there's the prequel Rogue One.

That's it though.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Rogue One blew my mind. Absolutely loved it.

I know it's probably an unpopular opinion but I liked Solo too. The parts I didn't enjoy were the callbacks and stuff. I didn't need to see all those, but I watched it twice and didn't regret it.

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[-] jubilationtcornpone 39 points 2 weeks ago

No, there's the original trilogy, the prequels, and the "Oh, it was Palpatine the whole time. ...again. How original."

[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

8 really ruined it. 7 had problems but I could forgive some of them because "Disney still trying to figure it out."

Then 8 happened. Closed off all story threads from 7 without any fanfare at all, and closed off all of its own potential threads within itself, leaving absolutely nothing for 9 to follow up on. Multiple character assassinations, and the entire Canto section could be deleted from the film and zero context would be lost.

9 was never going to succeed. It couldn't have. There was nothing for it to build on from 8.

[-] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago

What story threads? There were no story threads. There was hopeful fans who wanted to create things out of thin air. That's about it. There was more from 8 to lead off from than 7.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

8 gets a lot of hate along with the rest of the sequels, and I remember being pissed off of its scorched earth treatment of every single plot point from 7 after watching it in the movie theatre, but looking back… at least it tried to be original. The scenes are visually memorable, and its message that even nobody can rise up to be a hero, is miles better than… whatever the 9 did with Rey.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

7 put Luke hiding on an island while a war was going on and left 8 to take the flak for explaining why. There was no way to make 8 without pissing people off.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Luke was one small puzzle piece of that shitpile

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A pity they already had the entire EU to work from and decided to obliterate it all... until they fucked up their own shit so badly they started bringing it back.

We could have had another trilogy centered around an established strong female character.

Mara Jade.

Sure, mix and match in some new ideas to make it work better as films than novels. The idea of Finn (a defecting stormtrooper) absolutely works in this setting.

But the original cast is too old for that time period!

Well we've now seen that Luke can be portrayed reasonably well with another actor and face and voice changing tech.

Have a whole trilogy set in basically the Mando/Asoka time period, but use the Mandalorians in a more adult story about the difficulty of establishing and maintaining alliances when the New Republic is young, the Imperial Remnant still exists, and now basically its chaos as various factions are picking sides.

Thrawn can be the big bad, but his presence is barely hinted at in 7, makes his appearance in 8 and has a major victory, and is defeated in 9.

You could even work in Boba Fett and Asoka! Maybe Thrawn sends Fett to assassinate Luke in 8 and he is seriously wounded or his new gaggle of Jedi trainees are fucked up, but Asoka helps Luke fend him off on the Millennium Falcon!

But uh nope, instead we got A New Hope v2, A B and C plot clusterfuck with a side of break hyperspace and all space combat lore, followed by Duct Tape and Bullshit.

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago

There is no Sequel Trilogy in Ba Sing Se.

Here we are safe. Here we are free.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

the local theater (we had one in our town) kept star wars playing (and only star wars) for a year. it wasn't until around grease and jaws2 that they played anything else.

same thing happened for the other two films of what became the original trilogy.

basically turned me off to the whole 'franchise'. all the films star wars kept from me as a small town kid by being on eternal repeat in the only theater accessible to me at the time.

i did see the original first three films--one time each, the first week of their initial runs.

but none since.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I love Return of the Jedi.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

I watched it in the theater as a teenager on initial release, and the Ewoks made me cringe. But at the start, seeing Luke as a mature badass was satisfying and exciting.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

You know what would really suck though?

If they made any Matrix or Highlander sequels.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

The ratio on this post makes me think there is hope for lemmy afterall.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Star Wars (no, it wasn't "EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE"), Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were the only good SW movies. The rest are embarrassingly bad fanfiction. Just because people laugh at the prequel memes doesn't make the prequels good. We as a society fell when we started laughing at all the horrible parts of the prequels and then asked ourselves "wait, if we're being entertained by the prequels, does that mean they were good?" and coming to the absolute wrong conclusion.

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