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Previously on Lemmy:

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Well, as promised, we are talking foldable this week. The excitement is palpable, and it looks like the rest of our mod team have already started the conversation here. Go check it out.

I honestly don't know very much about foldable phones, so I'll let the rest of our (very smart and knowledgeable) mod team handle this one this week. :)

Last thing for future reference at the end of the week, we also have a great thread discussing foldables here too, go check it out if you want more great discussions.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Foldable screens, to me, seem to be a recipe for disaster. Another point of failure.

Flip phones like from Star Trek are awesome though!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really need to go watch Star Trek. Seems popular here.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I'm personally loving how much Trek is on Lemmy. There's even a star trek based instance.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Both amazing! Especially SNW. Absolutely loving this season, I honestly want to go back and rewatch all the current eps as they release.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"His Delta is also a communicator. You just tap it."

"But flipping it open is the best part."

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't trust it not to break.

Also they're wildly expensive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I felt the same but my wife got one over a year back and so far the only issue has been needing to replace the screen protector where it loses adhesion and starts to create a "bubble" towards the center of the device.

Bigger issue for me is that - unfolded - it's a bit harder to protect with bumpers, and my experience with mechanical "clamshell" anything tends towards that part going over time

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Had a Z Fold 4 for a couple of months now and i dont ever want to go back. It feels great in the hand when closed and it is awesome to have a much larger screen available at any time. Crease isnt very noticable on it

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My husband has a zfold. Same feedback after a few months, but recently the screen has finally started having issues at the crease. He's extremely careful with it, so this is definitely a phone thing and not just a use thing.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Had one since launch, first foldable. Zero issues with the interior screen/crease. People need to remember you'll hear about the issues, you won't hear about people just enjoying their device normally.

I disagree with people who say the inside screen is useless. For one, I use it to share pics with family because it's easier for multiple people to view. I also use it for watching videos, it's quite nice.

I am also a remote sys admin. I use the inside screen for RDP/ssh sessions to remote machines for quick weekend maintenance. I will never go back.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Manufacturers are being forced to make their phones last longer with sensible things like replaceable batteries, so they're coming up with fresh designed obsolescence by adding things that will wear and tear to keep everyone spending $1-2k every couple of years.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I love foldable phones and can't wait for more manufacturers to board. I have owned every iteration of the Samsung Z Fold series, Z Flip series, and Surface Duo series, and I am now rocking the Pixel Fold.

This form factor that Google adopteddopt is the way to go. A shorter, wider aspect ratio on the outer display makes for an excellent phone experience while allowing you to unfold the device into a proper mini tablet in landscape orientation. I never enjoyed the narrow screen on the Z Fold lineup, so I opened the phone to do almost everything. With the Pixel Fold, I open the phone up only for specific things, such as showing someone else content on my phone, reading, or watching videos.

The biggest issue with foldable is that everyone seems to worry about the device's durability, which is understandable. I have never had an issue, and I don't baby foldable phones more than I would a standard slab. I also think the pricing of foldable is a massive turn-off for many folks. Last, many people either refuse to understand the "point" of foldable devices or simply don't. For example, with me saying that I use the Pixel Fold closed most of the time, some would say, "What's the point of you're not going to use the inner display?". The point with foldable is that you get options. You don't have to use the phone as a tablet 24/7. At that point, you might as well just get a small tablet. Foldables are supposed to give you a phone experience first while giving you instant access to a larger screen capable of light multitasking and better media consumption experiences than your traditional phone. The beauty of a folding device is that you get the best of both worlds all the time, and you decide how you want to divide your time between the outer and inner displays.

Long comment, but hey, I love foldable, and I will keep buying them. Unfortunately, I think it will take Apple releasing a foldable before they become mainstream :(

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

After my flip 3 broke not so positive.

[–] Mojojojo1993 20 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Not interested in expensive gimmicks. How does it improve the experience? Now a phone that is a snap bracelet. Lives on my wrist. Sign me up.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How does it improve the experience

On a Pixel Fold,

  • I can browse two social media apps.
  • I can play two idle games.
  • I can play a game and watch a stream.
  • I can play one game or use one app with a large screen.

I actually use the inside screen much more than I thought I would. Is it worth it? Probably not, but goddamn is it fun.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fold phones fix a problem I don't have. The tech is interesting, but irrelevant to me

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Expensive, fragile and rather useless unless you plan to replace your computer and in that case you just made a bad decition. I think it's a very desperate attempt to hype yet another generation of smartphones no one needs with a gimmick becuase sales go down.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I replaced my tablet, I can't replace my PC so easily lol

Now I always have my tablet with me in the form factor of a phone. I wouldn't call foldables useless, I love multitasking and consuming media on a large screen!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I definitely understand that there is a market for it, but personally I'm not interested. They're expensive, vulnerable, and I have no need for a screen like that. The high prices and vulnerability were excusable in the first few generations, but I feel like we should've advanced further by now. I wonder how many people really use one.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seem like one of the shitttiest ideas out there, done just for the sake of novelty. If you’re lucky you’ll get creases and bad touch responsiveness. If you’re not, it is the most obvious point of failure due to mechanical stress. I could perhaps get behind “rollable” screens or the like (no hard crease), if they prove reliable.

Edit: spelling

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Just another possible point of failure with no real upside, beside the ability to slam it shut while on a call when angry like it is 2005 again.

Cosmetically the screen creases would anoy me.

Only use case I see valuable would be easier portability of larger screen formats. But I really never use a tablet to begin with.

I'm sure the tech will go towards better curved displays like monitors,tvs, and VR headset optics. Which are some things i maybe interested in using.

But at this point I feel it's more gimmick than anything.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As a woman with tiny pockets I'm considering switching from my (already small) S22 to a Flip-type foldable phone just to not have my phone poke into my hip bone every time I sit down.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

All phones that cost that much are dumb. Just get a computer instead and your money goes a lot farther to get screens and computing power.

$200-300 is about all I'll be willing to spend for any phone. I don't care what the features are that the expensive phones have, unless it's got some kind of alien laser technology that can do stuff that computers can't. For my price range I can have a great Pixel with GrapheneOS and that's about all I want.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been using my Pixel Fold for almost 2 weeks, and I love it. Actually using the new Sync app to write this and it looks beautiful on the inner screen.

I have used the Fold3 since launch (still have it), an iPhone 14 Pro Max, and Galaxy s23U over this past year as well. The iPhone I used for a couple of months and face it to my wife. While I know I'm still in the honeymoon period, I really enjoy using my Pixel Fold.

The Pixel Fold is exactly what I wanted from a folding phone. When closed it's the perfect size for using it like a regular phone. I really liked the size of the Pixel 6a and iPhone Xs and the PF when closed is similar to those. Obviously, a little heavier and slightly thicker. Once you open it, you have a nice mini tablet for consuming media or running 2 apps together.

My battery life has been great, performance has been stellar, cameras are also fantastic. I wish more apps were optimized for the inner screen like Sync, but even if they're not I can rotate it or run 2 apps.

I know people worry about durability, for good reason, the Fold3 that I've had for almost 2 years has done great so far. I've had to get the inner screen protector replaced twice, but other than that it's still hanging in there.

It will be great when the prices start coming down. I think with Google and Motorola really moving into this class it will help drive the price down. It will be nice when more people have the option of foldables, it'll force developers to optimize for them.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Foldables are basically the opposite of what I want: a small slab flagship phone, maybe 5" would be ideal. I don't want it to become huge at any point.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

To me they are necessary evil. I currently have Fold4 and use it as a replacement for my laptop since I have to be available 24/7 or close to that. I grew tired of lugging my laptop everywhere, which admittedly is very lightweight but charger, bag, accessories and the rest are not. So I decided to give Fold + bluetooth keyboard a shot at replacing my laptop which worked and I can get away with 85-90% of my work from my phone. Not as comfortable as laptop or desktop, but it'll do.

Biggest downsides are that I can't use my phone (easily) for navigation. One would think with such big screen that would be even easier, but naah. Mounting foldable phone is near impossible. It can be done in a car where you just buy tablet mount and you are good, but I don't drive a car.

For me it's been a game of tradeoffs. I gain some, lose some. At times it's awesome on other times it's annoying. Big screen and pen come very handy when signing documents for work or giving instructions to developers by drawing on screen shots. At the same time it's heavy and bulky. Note series from Samsung was pretty much spot on what I needed, but they turned that into S2x Ultra, which I think would be too big for me, but I might change my opinion.

Everything else am fine with and I can get use to weight and all. Samsung needs to do few things for me to be happy. Pen needs to fit in the phone itself, lugging it around as addon to your phone case is not an option. Make a slim case which grips corners only like they did with S7 Edge series, this would solve all of my mounts and protection problems. Weight loss would be welcome but I can live with that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What I want a phone to be:

  • Thick with a (reasonable) bezel, so I can grab it easily and not activate the touchscreen at the edges of the screen
  • Reasonably usable with one hand
  • Sturdy, somewhat shock-proof and waterproof
  • As serviceable / repairable as possible
  • Long battery life (not use time, life of battery before it needs replacing)
  • Built to last

Basically everything a foldable phone isn't.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use a Fold 4. I am autistic.

I went into it assuming I would hate the crease. But decided the upsides outweighed that potential downside. But over a year in now and I don't even hate the crease. Honestly the thing I find the most annoying would also be on most other phones; Fold 4 has an underscreen camera with lower pixel density in front of it. Bothers the shit out of me. I've taken to having a floating button for screenshots/video and place that button directly over the camera circle. So instead of whatever is in my game looking stupid and annoying in that spot, I can just pretend the icon for the camera button has a weird design.

The upside for me is having access to a nearly 4:3 aspect ratio. I do alot of emulation of older games, so it's nice to have them be full screen again. Also the charging speed is pretty nice, can have the phone completely full from empty in just under an hour at max charging speed. Which means the 25% to 75% time is just nuts. Can plug it in and not get bored just from watching the percentage tick up. Lol.

I don't really have much use for it in folded bar form though, using it like an actual phone is of course better in that shape, but I didn't buy this phone because of how often I make or receive traditional phone calls. So it's mostly just a fast, useful tablet that I can fold up and put in my pocket. Honestly if there was a version without the outside screen, I would probably get that one. The only thing I use the outside screen for is to hang up at the end of a call. And I'm sure there is an alternate option for that. Could just have a tiny little info screen that had hang-up and speaker buttons. But yeah, if the outside screen isn't costing much to include, then whatever, I could take it or leave it.

I have the hand strap case directly from Samsung, I definitely recommend it. It's got adhesive strips that stick to the phone, designed to be put on once and never removed. It doesn't need to be cleaned under. Basically as minimal as possible while having the grip to the phone necessary to trust that strap with your $2000 phones life. Although I didn't quite pay that much, I always look for an open box deal. I got it 40% off.

But yeah, the crease isn't really annoying at all. At it's worst, when looking at the phone from an uncentered angle, it is visibly darker along each side of the crease, but looking at it straight on, which you generally would be doing, you can't even tell it's there. You have to touch it to notice it, but it's smooth enough that it doesn't affect playing games or anything.

I was worried it was gonna be much worse when thinking about it before I got hands on. So when my sister got a used fold 3, I borrowed it for a couple hours to play some specific games I wanted to try out. And I wasn't worried anymore about spending so much for a fold 4.

The weight was an issue originally, took about 2 weeks to get used to it, and then about a month later I got the strap case and it would have solved it anyway. It's lighter than a hand-held gaming console, and I'm sure a few of us used to hold those for hours when we weren't as strong as we are now. The original issue was mostly when trying to hold it one-handed from one side of it. Or gripping accross the phone in folded out mode. I have decently big hands, smaller hands would have made it more than a 2 week issue. But yeah, if my hands were smaller, the problem would have remained until I got the strap case, then you hold the phone from it's center of weight and your hand is in a comfortable position while doing so. Or I just tuck one finger tip into the strap and two more on the outside of the strap and hold the phone from one side still. Comfortable and distributing the phones weight more evenly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I'd rather have a hinged physical keyboard.

[–] nehal3m 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They seem extremely difficult to repair so it's a hard pass from me.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm still not sold on the displays. Every time I've seen one the promise has always been "the screen is better", but when eventually I get hands on with them all I see is a massive crease in the middle and I can't unsee it

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Too expensive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Love the idea. The durability vs price ratio has not yet put this tech into an actually realistic space yet. Too much money for something too easy to break.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think it’s one of the dumbest new “features” I’ve seen on a phone since… I actually can’t remember anything worse right now.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Had the Razr 5g, got it new for $600 through a T-Mobile offer. Loved the OS, very similar to pixels. Loved how small it was in my pocket. It became super easy to use daily but.... On month 9 a line appeared on my display, that night my phones battery died and upon reboot whole inside screen was messed up. The phone other wise looks pristine, and I have a case that protects it. I never dropped it either. Their one year warranty conveniently does not cover the screen and repair was $950 through Motorola. After arguing the did issue a discount and the phone would cost $750 to repair...when you could get a brand new one on their site for $600 at the time. Ridiculous.

Never buying Motorola again. Might try the Samsung flip in a few years once the tech is solid and affordable.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Honestly, biggest deal breaker for me is the crease. When looking at it straight on, it's not the worst, but it's so jarring when you see it warp the screen and your finger runs across it. Not even to mention that it's bound to have a giant line or even a crack run down it the more you fold it. Sure the price tag is steep, but if they somehow manage to fix or improve that issue, I could see it as a viable option.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I went to the Samsung™ store and fondled their latest foldable phones lineup. Even on the demo models, you could clearly see the crease. It will only get worse as you use it. I think there is a market for folding phones but as separate screens, i.e. 2 or more panels side by side. If you gonna have a crease, might as well separate the screens.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I'm interested but am waiting to let the technology mature some more, and let the price come down.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

My non-foldable phones seem to break often enough. For the price, I'm not willing to introduce another physical feature to my phone that can break. They are certainly cool though. I'd love to have one. Not willing to risk it for the price.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I would absolutely love a folding phone but, can't justify the price these days. Someday for sure

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a Surface Duo 1 and I really think they got the form factor right, as opposed to the folding glass one-big-screen types. The SD also folds backwards so you don't need (to pay for) three screens. Also, most of the functionality of the Pixel Fold is shown off as multitasking two apps side by side, which is exactly the power user use case the SD was made for.

IMO two-screen side-by-side folders could be down to $1K at this point if they didn't all employ fragile bending glass and superfluous outer displays.

Also, I like the idea of a Flip... again, without a big outer display. Give me e-ink on the outside or something for the clock and message previews -- I'll open the phone if I need to anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I tried the Fold3, and had it back under warranty 3 times, until Samsung opted to replace it. They replaced it with a Fold4 (which was nice) in beige (which wasn't nice).

So I sold it and got a Pixel 7 Pro, and I couldn't be happier.

Honestly, foldable screen tech still needs a lot more maturity, IMHO. It was actually a relief to switch back to a phone where my heart didn't miss a beat every time I opened it, or heard the creak/crack sound when closing it. It was honestly pretty stressful, wondering if each day was the day I'd join the long list of people with busted screens through no fault of their own.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think they'll be remembered a bit like 3D televisions in a few years... an interesting diversion, that ultimately went nowhere.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Partner has the z flip4 and is very happy with it.

Although the folding mechanism on the first one seized up. When it was forced open, the pixels on the crease turned off.

Took it back to the retailer and they swapped it on the spot. They were out of 256GB versions, so they provided the 512GB one instead. As the price of them had dropped a lot since purchase, the store gave $250 cash back for the difference.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Dumb. But I also thought smartphones without keyboards were dumb and look where we are now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I think they're cool as a technical feat, but I'd be far too worried about breaking it to ever buy one. The fact that the crease is visible even on brand new devices looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

foldables are really cool but pretty fragile

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