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While I'm not a fan of Russia and its dealings in the world, I can't help but feel sorry for these guys, some of whom must surely just have been forcefully conscripted into this.
Don't forget the humans, I guess.
Indeed.
There was a blood lust on Reddit and anybody with any compassion at all would be downvoted to hell. There are no winners here and just death and misery.
I have no blood lust, but I'm glad to see them die so they can't keep killing Ukrainians. They came to someone else's home and started killing and torturing people.
I'd prefer to see them turn around and go back to Russia, and I recognize that many are brainwashed and come from difficult circumstances, but as long as they're in Ukraine it's best if they get taken out as soon as possible.
Nope anyone who willingly kills for a state like this forfeits their life
They do not have to. It IS a choice.
Kill your CO, run away, refuse to fight.
Why would it ever be okay to kill innocents so you can be safe? That's some coward shit.
Yep. There's no excuse for what they're doing, they're in control of their bodies, pulling the trigger, torturing, destroying lives.
Seriously! I don't understand people saying anything else. Like these are your muscles.
You're gonna have to kill me before you make me kill anyone else. Especially considering I'm probably going to die anyway in war like what the fuck is anyone trying to justify this shit for?
Don't forget the consequences of the Russian occupation: deportation, murder, torture, rape.
Many come to commit these crimes, others for money. We are two years into the war, they know what they are signing up for.
And let's not forget that Putin hasn't fired a single bullet in Ukraine, these "poor guys" are the ones doing the dirty work, they are the ones making the war possible.
I can’t help but feel sorry for these guys, some of whom must surely just have been forcefully conscripted into this.
Once they get a gun, they decide where to point it!
Don’t forget the humans, I guess.
Don't forget who the fascist, murderous aggressors are!
What Putin is doing is horrible to both sides. He's killing a whole generation.
But also, defecting is an option. So I didn't need to feel too bad for Russian soldiers being killed since they should have surrendered or refused to fight in Putins war.
Entire Russian units have been wiped out by their own side for trying to surrender. Defecting is an incredibly risky move.
Right? It seems very easy to put the blame on all individual Russian soldiers, it's not as if they have much choice. Of course, there's a whole bunch of them acting like assholes in their role, but I'm sure there's a whole bunch more of them who don't particularly want to be there but are forced to.
3k per month salary in a country where 600 is considered a decent wage does seem to do a lot of forcing tho
Better to die than to kill wrongly. But I have seen lots of videos of Russians successfully surrendering, so it's definitely an option.
Better to die than to kill wrongly.
Bold words from someone who’s never been faced with that choice.
I agree it'd be hard. But it'd still be the right thing to do to avoid murdering people. I don't see how I need to have been in that situation to say that moral statement. I hope I'd be able to follow though.
Agreed. We are getting a digital window to the absolute hopelessness of line solders.
People in this thread talking about how these are humans and we need to have some compassion?
How about you reserve that compassion for the Ukrainians killed by those same bastards?
You walk into a country not yours and start shooting, killing people that live there? I could not care less if you get shot or blown to pieces when you do that. It really is that simple.
It's worse than that. They rape and torture them before kidnapping the kids.
Why not both? A responsible military thinker just treats it as a trolley problem.
In 1945, my grandfather was due for being drafted into the Wehrmacht as part of one last, „glorious“ attempt to defend Germany against the Allies. All men his age, he was 17 at that time, got recruited into the Wehrmacht with soldiers roaming the streets and forcibly recruiting them.
Grandpa hid himself in the fucking basement for several months to not get drafted. Because he did not want to get killed by the decisions of some braindead fascist maniacs. He risked his life doing so, survived, and lived a fulfilled life afterwards, helping to rebuild then-destroyed Germany.
Mr. Washing Machine had a similar choice. He decided to help attack another country and got gored in the process, having a washing machine drum over his head. Fuck that guy.
Grandpa is/was an OG.
Taking brainwashing to a new level
Fuck commenters saying this is cruel. Fuck these buffoons.
Bomb your CO. Don't support fascism or we'll laugh at your death.
Can't fascism and conscripts being thrown into a meat grinder both be bad? Isn't one just a consequence of the other?
From that perspective, the fascists (Putin & co) have agency and the ability to decide their actions (attack another country), but the conscripts don’t, they’re passively „being thrown“. I strongly disagree with that point of view.
These conscripts at least partially decide to throw themselves into a meatgrinder, hoping for glory and money at the expense of the Ukrainian people. Fuck them.
Pretty sure a conscript’s motivations are avoiding prison or corporal punishment.
This looks like a scene from looney tunes. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
Same kind of reaction as when a grenade gets thrown into a room. We just have video footage of it now. It's a fucked way to go, but they could have avoided it...
so that's why they stole all the washing machines
By standing in the open like this, he just killed all of his buddies.
Ok, but did it work?
The colors bled out in the wash.
The wash was followed by a tumble-die?
Oh, you wanted detergent! I thought you said detonation. My bad.
This is not funny at all
I don't think it's supposed to be funny. It's war.
I don't understand people watching or sharing gore/snuff videos.
It‘s propaganda. You show it to your people to reassure them that the enemy is getting mamed and punished to appeal to their need for revenge.
And you hope this stuff gets spread within circles of the enemy to show them they will be killed, crippled and gored if they oppose you.
Yeah, I guess that is true. But somehow I feel more disgusted by music being added to to it, and I guess it's a turn off for a lot people to see death celebrated in this manner. This soldier was just born on the wrong side, he's a victim of his circumstances.
I agree, those 30s clips that show a person getting blown into pieces are dehumanizing. So is war in general.
But remember who is on the right side of history in this. I am convinced the Ukrainian that edited this clip would rather do something different with their life. Their country got attacked though, and propaganda videos like this one are one way of defending it.
I think I agree to some extent, but I also think that we're entering the territory of human psychology. Stuff like this can have the reverse effect, we can look at the effect of ISIS and their gore/snuff video campaigns which made the whole world turn against them, and had a moral bolstering effect of the opposition. Sure in the beginning people were afraid of ISIS, but then it transformed into another feeling, a feeling of revenge/justice for the murdered.
I just want to say, this isn't random Ukrainian editing this, the camera is on the drone, it's obviously military propaganda. The Russians do the same, so I'm not calling out Ukraine in anyway.
I think I get your thinking, the options would be a) to produce these clips, or b) not to. I‘m not an expert in military propaganda, maybe @[email protected] can explain: How would the war evolve if let‘s say only Russia produced these videos, but Ukraine didn’t? I imagine Ukraine would look weak to the outside observer, is that correct? What other effects do you obtain from producing these?
I don't know, I think it's still possible for Ukrainain military to release videos, but cut the ISIS style music videos and the horrible way of killing a person. To me personally, it gives the essence of seeing human life as being nothing more than sick joke. That's probably how Russians can do horrible things to Ukrainains or other people, and I don't think dehumanizing human beings is healthy for anyone or any society. And I do have a higher standard for our allies, to not become the evil they're fighting.
He’ll ultimately invent the Joo Janta 2000 Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.
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