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The Russians have a new EW system for individual protection - the bucket.

It was the bucket that one of the Katsaps put on his head when the Ronin launched your drone at them🔪 It didn't help.

UPD: they write that it is not a bucket. And part of the washing machine😂

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

While I'm not a fan of Russia and its dealings in the world, I can't help but feel sorry for these guys, some of whom must surely just have been forcefully conscripted into this.

Don't forget the humans, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Indeed.

There was a blood lust on Reddit and anybody with any compassion at all would be downvoted to hell. There are no winners here and just death and misery.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I have no blood lust, but I'm glad to see them die so they can't keep killing Ukrainians. They came to someone else's home and started killing and torturing people.

I'd prefer to see them turn around and go back to Russia, and I recognize that many are brainwashed and come from difficult circumstances, but as long as they're in Ukraine it's best if they get taken out as soon as possible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nope anyone who willingly kills for a state like this forfeits their life

They do not have to. It IS a choice.

Kill your CO, run away, refuse to fight.

Why would it ever be okay to kill innocents so you can be safe? That's some coward shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep. There's no excuse for what they're doing, they're in control of their bodies, pulling the trigger, torturing, destroying lives.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Seriously! I don't understand people saying anything else. Like these are your muscles.

You're gonna have to kill me before you make me kill anyone else. Especially considering I'm probably going to die anyway in war like what the fuck is anyone trying to justify this shit for?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Don't forget the consequences of the Russian occupation: deportation, murder, torture, rape.

Many come to commit these crimes, others for money. We are two years into the war, they know what they are signing up for.

And let's not forget that Putin hasn't fired a single bullet in Ukraine, these "poor guys" are the ones doing the dirty work, they are the ones making the war possible.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

I can’t help but feel sorry for these guys, some of whom must surely just have been forcefully conscripted into this.

Once they get a gun, they decide where to point it!

Don’t forget the humans, I guess.

Don't forget who the fascist, murderous aggressors are!

[–] JohnDClay 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What Putin is doing is horrible to both sides. He's killing a whole generation.

But also, defecting is an option. So I didn't need to feel too bad for Russian soldiers being killed since they should have surrendered or refused to fight in Putins war.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Entire Russian units have been wiped out by their own side for trying to surrender. Defecting is an incredibly risky move.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Right? It seems very easy to put the blame on all individual Russian soldiers, it's not as if they have much choice. Of course, there's a whole bunch of them acting like assholes in their role, but I'm sure there's a whole bunch more of them who don't particularly want to be there but are forced to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

3k per month salary in a country where 600 is considered a decent wage does seem to do a lot of forcing tho

[–] JohnDClay 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Better to die than to kill wrongly. But I have seen lots of videos of Russians successfully surrendering, so it's definitely an option.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Better to die than to kill wrongly.

Bold words from someone who’s never been faced with that choice.

[–] JohnDClay 1 points 3 months ago

I agree it'd be hard. But it'd still be the right thing to do to avoid murdering people. I don't see how I need to have been in that situation to say that moral statement. I hope I'd be able to follow though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Agreed. We are getting a digital window to the absolute hopelessness of line solders.