Slavery was about 99% of what drove the entire thing, so it makes sense to me.
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I think it's a better name. My only issue is that it is an even better name for what happened in Haiti, where the enslaved rose up, defeated their masters, got revenge, and formed a nation.
I wish the nation was more of a success today, but it should still be celebrated as a victory for humanity.
I wish the nation was more of a success today
Me too. You can mostly thank the US and especially France for that tbh. They both extorted Haiti for a debt of lost "property" owed to France. And by "property" I mean formerly enslaved human beings! That shit went on for 122 years and the first annual payment "owed" was of SIX TIMES the annual revenue of Haiti! 🤬
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Personally I'd rather "The Slaver's Treason"
Don't even dignify it with calling it a war, it was an act of treason and ought be looked at as nothing more than a national betrayal made in the name of paranoid slave oligarchs
Clarify which of the two you're talking about at the start of your post. The post you're replying to is mostly discussing Haiti and your comment made be do a double-take.
US civil war
Haiti would be better called 'the slave revolution'
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"No it was about states rights"
"States rights to what?"
Gotta plug doobus goobus too https://youtu.be/-ZB2ftCl2Vk?si=E3ckE6fse3SD4wCd
This is my favorite argument.
Always makes me happy when I go into a thread to post this and it's already here. ^_^
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I prefer "Slaveholders Rebellion"
Ohh I like that.
Slap em a little more on the branding, you didn't "own" anything, cousin fuckers, you just held them against their will.
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Don't forget that the south was trying to force the north ro send back escaped slaves, depite the north using their states rights to say no. The south would also send Bounty hunters to go kidnap free born black people to sell into slavery. So yeah, states rights was an issue. The right to identify people as human.
But let's not also forget that the confederate constitution had a passage that says that there will not be any laws capable of being passed that infringe on the right to own black people
Article I Section 9(4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed
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I'm surprised it's not called the States' Rights War.
Because only confed apologists use that term, and to my knowledge there are no confed apologists in Iceland.
There's almost 400,000 people on Iceland. I'd say there's probably at least one. Maybe even two.
Maybe even three
Let's not go overboard.
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In parts of the South it's been rebranded as the "War of Northern Aggression" 🙄
Then they get all red in the face when you ask them who shot the first shots.
That would require them to know history
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"but muh heritage" mfrs when I practice my heritage (it's burning confederate flags and killing traitors):
States Rights to what, pray tell?
Don't even grant the premise. The State's Rights argument is entirely bullshit. The secessionists controlled the federal government and slavery was federal law. It was abolitionists in Wisconsin and Vermont that were freeing escaped slaves, and new territories wanted to vote to determine whether slavery would be law. The South opposed their right to do so. Lincoln had not threatened to free the slaves before the war, he just wasn't willing to enforce the federal Escaped Slaves act. That was all it took for the southern states to try to leave America.
But you don't have to take my word for it.
[A]n increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. . . .
The only time secessionists invoked a state's right to do anything was to secede.
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It is, but not very often outside of the American south. (They prefer "The War of Northern Aggression" though.)
Any time you hear that phrase unironically, ask what war that is, and then go "oh you mean the Rebellion of Southern Cowards? That's the only way I've heard it phrased other than civil war"
I may not be a descendant of William Tecumseh Sherman, but I grew up in the same area, and maybe it's just something about the water or the geography but I really feel an urge for Southern BBQ and a brisk walk to the ocean when Southern Cowards start speaking up again.
And yet despite that, I would say that the two best things from the South were invented by black people- the music, from blues to jazz to rock and roll and soul food. Not the best revenge, but still some good revenge. A hell of a lot more people listen to rock music than listen to music invented by white people.
I'm Icelandic and I just learned about this now! To be fair I learned fuck all about pre-20th century US history in school and I've basically just puzzled it together through movies and references online.
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In Chinese it's called 南北戰爭, which means South-North War. Not as interesting as the Icelandic name though
Given Chinese history you'd think that name would be reserved for...well IDK draw any time china wasn't unified out of a hat lol
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I've started to think about it as the second US civil war, the first being the war of independence.
That's just me being a smartass though.
Technically true. The War of Independence WAS a civil war. It was a British civil war.
Goes to show that the victors write the history book.
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They call it "Lincoln's Tax War" in the South.
I've also heard "the War of Northern Aggression". No idea how common either is. I assume it's just a handful of crazies playing pretend.
I wish it was just a handful of crazies. The Lost Causers have shaped our nation as much as anyone else. Held us back at every step forward.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy
Unfortunately nowhere near enough traitors were hanged for their insurrection and now here we are.
Andrew Johnson, objectively the worst and most destructive president our Union has ever had.
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Interesting. It didn't even end Slavery in the US tho
That'll be Slave War II
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