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  • Putin has relied on historical borders to argue that Ukraine is part of Russia, justifying the war.
  • Mongolia's former president shared a map of the Mongol Empire, which included parts of Russia.
  • "After Putin's talk. I found Mongolian historic map. Don't worry. We are a peaceful and free nation," he wrote.

The former president of Mongolia mocked Russian President Vladimir Putin over the weekend and his focus on history to try to justify his invasion of Ukraine.

Putin has frequently used historical borders to justify his brutal invasion, arguing that Russia has a claim over Ukraine even though Ukraine is an independent country.

In his interview with Tucker Carlson last week, Putin outlined centuries of Russian and European history to justify his invasion. Historians say much of the history he gave doesn't stand up.

Tsakhia Elbegdorj, who was Mongolia's president between 2009 and 2017, and was also its prime minister, poked fun at Putin's argument on X.

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[–] [email protected] 200 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Golden Hord will rise again

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[–] p1mrx 119 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The Mongolia Empire had way more land than this in its prime. In the late 1200, Mongolian Empire spans from Siberia to southeast Asia, and all the way to east Europe.

It is just Russia didn't exists back then. 1471 is near the downfall of the Mongolian Empire and it is still huge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did Mongolia also not burn/sack Moscow several times for failure to pay taxes. Aka like Trump said he would be fine with Russia doing to NATO countries?

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Just go take it back, Russia is so wrapped up in the western front they wouldn't be able to mount any kind of defense until it was far too late to hold Siberia.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Too bad democracy won't invade like Putin does because peace is the right thing to do.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

Wait for …. The Mongols!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

If Mongolia is able to muster anything like the force they had when they invaded, it will hardly matter what Russia can mount

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 61 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To be expected, given his ancestry

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We've all got a little Genghis in us.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If not, it can be arranged.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 9 months ago (10 children)

The UK has decided that they have historical claims to the US, so they will begin their invasion soon.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You bringing socialized health care?

I've left the back door unlocked.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, still beats dying of preventable disease because of fear of the bill afterward. At least this way I can die of a preventable disease due to patient backlog.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Why not both! I spent almost 8 months mostly bedridden last year waiting for a magical American doctor to fix me. Even got kidney disease from all the pain killers/anti-inflammatory meds I had to be on to somewhat function. Now I'm in my 30's with the blood pressure of someone in their 70's. Best Healthcare system in the world!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dad says we have patient backlogs at home

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

NHS is just suffering from decades of destruction at the hand of the UK's version of US Republicans. They want it destroyed and continue to whittle away at to make perceptions such as this the norm, until they can fully destroy it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Definitely. They sabotage it and whine about how inefficient it is, right? Eventually they move to privatize it so rich bastards can get richer. At least that's been the playbook here in the US for Medicare and USPS.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

The map they used in the linked article as the largest empire to ever exist was actually of the later British Empire, which doesn't include what is the present-day US (though it was larger than the British Empire at the time that it included some of the present-day US).

It'd be interesting to create composite maps of empires that included all the territory that they ever controlled, rather than the peak that they controlled at any one time. I think you'd need to do some work in R, and that the Brits would probably still come out on top.

As I have pointed out before, Russia also historically controlled part of what is now the US:

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-vyacheslav-volodin-warns-us-russia-reclaim-alaska-1722342

Oleg Matveychev, a member of the Duma, told Russian state television earlier this year that Russia should seek the "return of all Russian properties, those of the Russian empire, the Soviet Union and current Russia, which has been seized in the United States, and so on."

When asked if that included Alaska, Matveychev responded that it did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_colonization_of_North_America

From 1732 to 1867, the Russian Empire laid claim to northern Pacific Coast territories in the Americas. Russian colonial possessions in the Americas are collectively known as Russian America ((Russian: Русская Америка, romanized: Russkaya Amerika); 1799 to 1867). It consisted mostly of present-day Alaska in the United States, but also included the outpost of Fort Ross in California, and three forts in Hawaii, including Russian Fort Elizabeth. Russian Creole settlements were concentrated in Alaska, including the capital, New Archangel (Novo-Arkhangelsk), which is now Sitka.

Fort Ross in California has been preserved as both an American and Californian historic landmark, and you can go visit it; Russian Orthodox services are held there a couple times a year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Ross,_California

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Greece is getting ready to expand too, and solving the Israel / Palestine issues at the same time

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Abbasids and the Umayyads put Alexander to shame.

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[–] andrew_bidlaw 61 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The BS of historical borders should be brought up more.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Also, Russia was founded by Vikings, so I hope Norway is ready to invade.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Hey Portugal and Spain, according to the treaty of Tordesilhas together, Portugal and Spain had conquering rights for half the world. And the pope signed it..

And Romans... You had a great empire. So did the Mouros (Arabs) Etc..

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’ve been waiting for this. So glad they actually did it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

DAMN YOU MONGORIANS! ALWAYS BREAKING MY CITY WALL!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Don't worry. We are a peaceful and free nation

...until someone messes with a Mongolian trade delegation.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

Good joke, but it's bold on him to poke fun at one of the only two neighbors Mongolia has, while the other dreams of invading it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Lol that's some Mongolian beef?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I would like to see this map.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I have Privacy Badger so I didn't look at the Xitter post, here's a map I found from the Wikipedia page

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"parts of Russia" is really underselling it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Would have been "all" if Ogedei hadn't caught a severe case of drinking himself to death.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is your Lemmy texting about Mongolia?

LMAO = Let Mongols Annex Oblast

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

ROFLOL

(Russians Out For Land, Our Land!)

[–] prettybunnys 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fucking gotem

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