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I still don't get how folks don't love this president. All these things are great for typical folks like me.

Overdraft fees should just be illegal. Bank knows how much money is in there. Don't allow withdraw if it's insufficient.

overdraft fees only affect people who don't have a lot of money. I remember being ruined by them as a college student several times. they should be illegal. let them figure out how to get the operating revenue from people with more capital.

It's actually worse than just debits before credits. It's debits in reverse order of amount, then credits. So if you get your paycheck deposited in the morning, stop for gas, pick up a coffee, go shopping, go home and pay your utility bills and rent, they can order it so the rent goes through first, then the bills, shopping, gas and coffee all trigger separate overdrafts, then the paycheck is added last, stealing hundreds of dollars from you when you didn't spend a cent you didn't have.

Why are overdraft fees even allowed?

If the account doesn't have the funds, don't allow the withdrawal.

If someone needs to borrow money, they will use a credit card.

This is an awesome proposal that 99% of Americans can get behind and I can't wait for our oligarchs to kill this legislation before it ever gets introduced to congress.

How about no overdraft fees? You know what we should do to people who have no money? Charge them more money.

This is good. What would be even better would be severely slashing APR on incurred credit card debt. Interest should be reasonable amounts that allow people to realistically pay back credit debt without barely being able to keep up with some financial mistakes.

When I was younger, I was literally living paycheck to paycheck. This was back in the day when you were handed a physical check and had to cash it, so there was a time delay between you getting your money and having to buy things like food to not starve, or gas so you can fuel up your car and go to work so you don't lose your job. I lost count of how many times I overdrafted by just a few dollars, or even a fistful of change. One especially egregious overdraft fee was the result of being overdrafted by $0.02. At one point in time, I called the bank and asked if they could forgive the penalties for accidental overdrafts of only a few dollars or a trivial sum of money spent on necessities. They told me to take a hike, pay the fees or else have my account closed and the balance sent to collections.

I realized I was losing so much money to overdraft fees so frequently that I asked my relatives to lend me some cash to use as a buffer, and only then was I able to finally dig myself out of that hole and get stable, saving the money that would otherwise be lost to frivolous fees to build my own pool of savings. But not everybody has loving and trusting relatives like I do. Some people are all on their own. Even though my financial situation has improved dramatically to the point where I will probably never had an issue with overdrafting ever again, I still want the practice outlawed completely. I hated it so much and I felt like the world was the most unjust place ever that these slimy fucking bankers could hustle someone they know for a fact is broke by burying them in fees and stealing money right from out of their pockets when they got paid.

Banks LOVE overdraft fees. Not just big banks. Even your local bank or credit union pays close attention to that "Fee Income" line item which overdraft fees are part of. Fee income is unique in that it doesn't require an increase in assets (by making loans) to generate. It's not technically "free" money for the bank but it's dirt cheap. It's a smaller but also not insignificant source of revenue.

The main problem with overdraft fees is that they are inherently predatory. They automatically target poor(er) people who are more prone to spending money they don't have and are unable to secure cheaper credit. The average overdraft user tends to use it repeatedly and consistently. Overdraft fees are nothing more than an extremely high interest loan. Much like payday lending, it can create a cycle that the borrower is unable to get out of. Best case scenario, the bank is aware of this but has little incentive to do anything about it. I actually worked for a bank at one time that was intentionally lenient with their overdraft policies. It was a good move for the customers but it didn't eliminate the debt cycle.

Banks are required to offer "counseling" to people who routinely overdraw their accounts but that usually is nothing more than a letter that gets mailed out to the customer and nothing more.

Some banks like to be extra shitbaggy about it and will actively structure their policies and batch processing procedures to maximize overdraft fees. Doing things like posting debits to the customers account before credits intentionally on the same day and maintaining a policy that that qualifies as an overdraft. To me, that's just evil and should be illegal.

I think there's multiple issues with overdraft "protection", one of which are excessive fees. Overdraft "protection" routinely contributes to a cycle of bad debt for people who often can't afford to pay their bills much less repay debt with incredibly high interest rates. Some banks justify it as a service that "helps" their customers. I think it's as helpful as a pack of cigarettes. Yeah, it's technically the customers choice to use it. And they shouldn't. It's a really bad deal for them. But more of the responsibility is on the banks here because they know the statistics. They know the mess that they're contributing to. Best case scenario, they turn a blind eye because $$$.

On the other side, consumers as a whole need better financial education. Many of them don't understand that they could do a lot with the money they're spending on fees and interest. Consumers also need to be better about choosing who they do business with and asking questions. Banks are required to disclose all their fees and account policies. Ask for them and ask for an explanation if you don't understand them.

Lastly, don't do business with banks, or anyone for that matter, who clearly has no interest in the well being of their customers. I'm going to pick on Wells Fargo specifically because, ...well, If you don't know what kind of company Wells Fargo is, then you have been living under a rock for a long time. Wells Fargo shouldn't even exist. Their repeated, flagrant criminal activities, violations of the law, and disregard for the well being of their customers should have seen them run out of banking entirely. And they're not the only bank like this, but they're the most egregious. Instead, they still exist because people keep doing business with them. You're a lot more likely to be treated better by a bank or credit union that views you as more than just a random number.

The issue isn't necessarily the amount. People shouldn't overdraw their accounts and it seems prudent for the banks to charge for giving you an impromptu quick loan.

The issue is how fees are applied. Let's say someone overdrew their account for $100. To get there, they had six miscellaneous debits totaling $75, and their rent check, which all hit their account on the same day. Rather then settle it in time order, they decide to settle the largest first, under the theory that customers want their largest checks to have the best chance of clearing in this situation. But the rent check puts them under, incurring a fee, but then when all six miscellaneous debits hit, they each incur a fee also! If the fee is $30, that's $210 just in fees! Even at $3, though, that customer is still paying $21 in fees. But if they processed the rent check last, the account would have only overdrawn once.

If used to be that if there wasnt enough money in the account, the check bounced. Maybe we should go back to that. But if people want overdraft protection, the bank should be limited to just one charge in a statement period. Then they can keep it at $30, but customers don't risk escalating fees just because of the order in which banks process charges.

Yeah, I've only wrote a handful of checks in my life, and I always saw straight through the "we offer to fuck you, for your benefit!" bullshit. Decline their "offer" whenever available, the only one who benefits is the bank. If I don't have enough money now, I don't want the transaction to be approved and get fucked with a $35 fee "for my benefit", and I don't want to be hit with a second fee "for my benefit" when that becomes an "extended overdraft" when - now I know this is hard to believe but - if I don't have money on day 1, I'm very likely to not have money on day 5.

Also, back when banks could more openly fuck you with a smile, BofA would process transactions in this order: debits, then credits. This would cause accounts to fall negative for minutes or even seconds as they processed the pending transactions, and BofA raked in fees. I was a very vocal pain in the ass for my local branch managers, and had that bullshit removed each time, but I had the time to go sit in a shitty crowded bank for an hour and bitch at whoever until I got my $35 back. Anyone with a 9-5 would be fucked.

Banks as a profit center can suck my ass. I've been a "member" of about 20 banks, and there are only 4 I like(d), one of which got acquired by a big bank and the fee list quadrupled while the features were slashed. Be very carefully about where you store your money - thieves are often eager to shake your hand.

The thing I don't see anyone talking about is how you can either go in and tell your bank to no longer allow your account to go in the negative making it so your funds just stop and can't spend more negating overdraft fees. Or, like I did go in and open a credit line specifically designed to withdraw when you overdraft. This also negates the fee. It does accrue interest like any credit if you are unable to pay it back when it's due but still you don't have overdraft fees. Like overdraft fees are just lazy people tax. Not even poor people tax cause it's super easy to get them to go away. 🙄

Reposting this from below because I think more people need to see it-

If this works, making overdraft fees $3 is fucking huge.

Some points, directly from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau:

• Among households that frequently incurred overdraft/NSF fees, 81% reported difficulty paying a bill at least once in the past year.

• Among consumers in households charged an overdraft fee in the past year, 43% were surprised by their most recent account overdraft, 35% thought it was possible, and only 22% expected it. Consumers who overdraft infrequently are more likely to be surprised by a fee

• While just 10% of households with over $175,000 in income were charged an overdraft or an NSF fee in the previous year, the share is three times higher (34%) among households making less than $65,000.

https://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/newsroom/cfpb-issues-report-showing-many-americans-are-surprised-by-overdraft-fees/