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Drinking one glass or more of 100% fruit juice each day is associated with weight gain in children and adults, according to a new analysis of 42 previous studies.

The research, published Tuesday in JAMA Pediatrics, found a positive association between drinking 100% fruit juice and BMI — a calculation that takes into account weight and height — among kids. It also found an association between daily consumption of 100% fruit juice with weight gain among adults.

100% fruit juice was defined as fruit juices with no added sugar.

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 11 months ago (8 children)

This seems like it would be really obvious, no?

If you are simply buying fruit juices at the store you are getting zero to virtually zero fiber. So you are getting a bunch of calories but without feeling any sense of fullness that you would get if you instead just ate the fruit.

Fruit is healthy but you are much better off just eating the fruit and drinking water. If you really want to drink the fruit juice you should just blend the fruit so that you are also getting all the pulp. The fiber is excellent for you and will help prevent you from turning all that juice into "empty" calories.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 11 months ago (8 children)

It's obvious to anyone who has thought about it, yes. Unfortunately there's a larger than you expect percentage of people out there who just think "fruit healthy" and that's where the thought ends

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (2 children)

my dad, who is quite overweight, would order the sweet potato french fries at Culver's, after I told him to eat healthier. My mom even supported him - "those are SWEET POTATO fries! that's healthy!". I told them that's not how it works, and it just made them angry.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (9 children)

It doesn't help that government recommendations have been based on either terrible research or straight up from lobbying groups for so many decades.

The old food pyramid was insane. Nuts, beans, and red meat all being lumped in the protein category, while all fats and sweets were considered the same. Sugar was just considered a carbohydrate, whether it came from fruits or from soda (high fructose corn syrup). The categories were displayed and expressed as hard lines and there was no nuance at all. Not to mention bread, cereal, rice, pasta all being the largest category... and an entire category for just milk-based items.

For many people the government recommendation is just taken at face value, often just because that is what they're taught in school.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately there’s a larger than you expect percentage of people out there who just think “fruit healthy” and that’s where the thought ends

Totally fair point. As usual I tend to overestimate the general public.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I think children are generally taught "eat your fruits and vegetables". It should not be permitted to target children with fruit-branded junk food and mis-marketing

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Haven’t they known this for decades now?

Fruit juice is all the sugar in fruit but without any of the fiber.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, the US has an education problem. They kind of tell kids about this in school these days but for a bunch of years fruit was just plain sold as good for you. Kids parents were raised going oh don't drink that Fanta here drink this apple juice. When they're far too close to nutritional value for it to matter.

It's another thing they could put a label on might help a few people, it's really effing hard to put a health food label on everything that's not shit though

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 11 months ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Watermelon juice? Okay, I’ll give it a try.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I know personally this tragedy all to well. My father used to drink water. He passed away just a few years ago. Then I did my research and learned that over 80% of everyone who has ever died actually drank water at least the day before.

What does that tell you about water?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

I have a very vivid memory of working with this girl who had a neck so large that it hung down like a bullfrog's sack. I had lost some weight myself and we were discussing nutrition and my high water consumption, and I remember she looks at me very seriously and a little exasperated and says, "I'm eating healthier too. I stopped drinking so much pop and switched entirely to juice."

People really do believe that pure fruit juice is good for your body. I think it's largely due to the average person's inability to understand caloric intake and how to decipher a nutrional chart.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just check the orange juice I buy. Just generic supermarket branded. 45 calories per 100ml. Coca Cola is 42.

There are people are drinking several litres a day of this shit, on top of all the normal stuff they eat.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Most people have zero clue about how nutrition works. It makes sense, educators don't really spend time teaching it. We had the 4 food groups and the food pyramid, both of which tend to favor eating a shitload of bread as your main caloric intake, which has obviously been debunked. We had the great sugar vs fat debate of the 90s. Now people are skeptical of nutrition as a concept and think "oh, fruit juice, that's healthy". Can't really blame people for not knowing everything, but damn, food is important. Garbage in, garbage out.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Everyone has been on this tangent for years, this isn't exactly news. I think it's worth noting that the problem isn't really this simple. They concentrate the juice and pump it full of "juice" that is really just sugar. If you actually buy real pressed 100% blueberry juice, for example, instead of apple sugar flavored with blueberries, the sugar content is lower. And because you would never actually want to drink 100% blueberry juice because it wouldn't taste how you are expecting, you would water it down. Suddenly you have a glass of juice with 5 grams of sugar instead of 30 grams and you are fine. Additionally, no matter the type of juice, it is nearly always over concentrated because they are trying to boost the sugar content. People should really be watering down any kind of store bought juice.

No one is actually drinking "100% juice", they are drinking a product that resembles the fruit of juice. These companies are not squeezing juice into a bottle, they are concentrating fruit sugars and adding them back into water. The problem is just as much with false advertising as anything. I'm not saying freshly squeezed juice is healthy, but it as sure as shit healthier than the fraud they are selling on the shelves. As with everything, the problem is money. Companies know they will sell more if they say it's juice and then pump it full of extra concentrated fruit sugar.

Edit: I wish more companies sold actual 100% real pressed fruit juice, I would buy it and water it down with soda water. I also wish they were more honest with their labeling about what they are actually doing. Not everything needs to be flawlessly healthy, but we could take steps in the right direction. You should only be able to label something as 100% juice if it actually is squeezed out of the fruit and put in the bottle with no interference and additional processing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Some of the best drinks I've ever had are pure fresh-squeezed juice.

For example: pomegranate juice pressed by a street vendor? Amazing. Apples from the tree in my mom's yard? Incredible when juiced. Freshly squeezed orange juice? Sign me up.

Relatively few fruits make a juice that's not good straight. Cranberry comes to mind as being too bitter. Lemon is a bit too acidic for most.

Wyman's 100% blueberry juice is 20g sugar per 250ml. Mott's apple juice is 28g for 8 oz/240ml. So blueberry juice is about 2/3 the sugar of apple juice. It's still plenty sweet.

You don't water blueberry juice down because it's not sweet enough. You water it down because 8oz of Mott's apple juice is $1.30 at Walmart, and 8oz of wymans' blueberry juice is $7.30. Blends use apple juice because it's cheap and mild, so you can layer other flavors on top.

Juice isn't bad for you because of the extra apple sugar. It's bad because you removed all the fiber. Fiber promotes sateity.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Y'all, the study clearly says it's the calories. People see it as free calories. The article straight up lies about adults too. The study did not find the same link in adults.

Relevant bit from the study-

Among cohort studies in children, each additional serving per day of 100% fruit juice was associated with a 0.03 (95% CI, 0.01-0.05) higher BMI change. Among cohort studies in adults, studies that did not adjust for energy showed greater body weight gain (0.21 kg; 95% CI, 0.15-0.27 kg) than studies that did adjust for energy intake (−0.08 kg; 95% CI, −0.11 to −0.05 kg; P for meta-regression <.001). RCTs in adults found no significant association of assignment to 100% fruit juice with body weight but the CI was wide (MD, −0.53 kg; 95% CI, −1.55 to 0.48 kg).

Give your kids one child serving a day and fiber from elsewhere. Also make sure they get physical activity in. Done. This isn't Fruit Juice=Soda. Adults probably don't get rated as hard because a pint glass of fruit juice is a lot less of their daily intake percentage wise.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I see so many things blamed for weight gain, but nobody ever seems to talk about the fact that nearly everyone is staying inside more. Kids don't go outside to play like they used to. They play video games and watch YouTube instead of riding bikes and climbing trees. Adults too. The human race is becoming increasingly sedentary. The calories catch up way quicker if you aren't doing anything to burn them. And I'm not pointing fingers here. I do it too.

[–] Patches 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Have you seen the outside they built?

Kids aren't allowed to play outside anymore anywhere but the country.

The trees have been cut down and replaced with tiny puffs of artificial grass. There are no yards, it's all just streets to play in. And the streets are now blasted through at 30mph.

Adults call the cops on children outside just anywhere but their own front lawn. There is nowhere where it is free to be, and kids aren't exactly flush with cash.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Easy to claim everyone is staying inside if you’re inside not seeing it or when it’s either extreme freezing or boiling..but I just saw a plethora of children sledding yesterday after a snowstorm. I just came back from a Christmas vacation with a large group of nieces/nephews skating, swimming, building snowmen, snowshoeing, sleigh rides and skiing. There was a new activity to do every day. Not one looked at their phone(not even adults) and the total of tv screen time was maybe a two hours out of their day waiting between eating meals together or physically playing together or if the weather did not permit a lot of outdoor activity. Upon which we had a lot of board games to play with each other. The kids do not do well with no activity and tend to get moody and hard to deal with so the parents do a lot to try to expend their extra energy. Having kids is a lot of work. Especially if some of the kids are on a particular spectrum in which we had two out of the group.

on one hand it’s probably the household/family type and I have no doubt there are quite a few families that definitely do need to give their head a shake but it’s not as ubiquitous and pervasive as you’re suggesting. Most parents I’ve seen biggest complaint is ‘I’m trying to tire them out.’ seems to be the catch phrase of the decade right now.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Ha, I knew my Coke addiction would save me.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Our entire food industry is dedicated to high carb foods that generate more profits. Many, many people cannot handle a high carb diet and wind up fat, or sick. A much lower carb diet, including healthy fats and lots of fiber, lessens obesity, heart problem and diabetes. Been there, done that.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

2010 called, they said "duh"

This is why my kids don't get juice or soda other than special occasions. They get full fat milk twice a day and water all day long.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (16 children)

Carbs are carbs, sugar is sugar, high glycemic sugars need somewhere to go quickly

I have a relative, a PhD no less (albeit in English), who "only eat natural organic GMO-free" and will absolutely not accept that fruits are sweet because of sugar and count against you like any other sugar

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hasn't this been well known for a couple decades now? Or is this just confirmation of that?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Replace fruit juice with soda in the title and no doubt it’s a slam dunk, but I personally didn’t realize how much sugar’s in fruit drinks until I entered it into a calorie tracker. I’m guessing fruit juice is slightly less bad compared to soda, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn most people are oblivious to how “not good” fruit juice is for them. Probably some, “Well, fruit is good for me, so fruit juice must be okay, too.”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (10 children)

This has been a pet peeve of mine for years, but I've never voiced it because I didn't feel like taking on the "you're an idiot" stares.

But seriously, I drink a diet soda and I'm supposed to feel shitty because "soda is bad" while someone chugs a sugary glass of juice and that's supposed to be healthier? Can I compromise and drink a Fresca? Lol

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I saw Hank Green talk about this not so long ago. He says he hates how juice is marketed as a 'healthy' option, when in reality, it's just like flat soda.

Like in an average fruit, there is probably less than a glass of juice. We evolved to eat fruit but not to constantly consume copious amounts of the juice. It's too much sugar and your body Will be worse off for it if you subject it to that amount of sugar for too long.

People should just drink water ffs.

A small glass of juice occasionally maybe if you need it for the anti oxidents or vitamins etc. But not daily and certainly not a huge amount of it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

No shit, have you seen the US regulations on that label? You can just squeeze concentrate into sugar water and call it 100% real fruit juice.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Why specifically 100% fruit juice?

Edit: I learned to read. It’s because of the no added sugar.

Added sugar is a problem when it’s added to things that don’t need it. The best way to mitigate this isn’t with a sugar tax, but to tax per calorie in the finished food for any amount of added sugar.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

No fucking shit, dude.

That shit is worse for you than diet soda.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Funny that they didn't go with the constipation angle in addition to the calories angle. You can eat all the fruit you want and pass it well, but if you do just the juice, you get no fiber and you will get blocked up.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

BREAKING NEWS: Water may be linked with wetness, experts say

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Eh. Parents don't usually give their kids soda for breakfast, even if juice has a comparable amount of sugar.

They also don't give their kids candy for breakfast, but cereal and pastries are okay.

This shouldn't have to be spelled out for you, but many people believe that juice is good for you.

[–] shartworx 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's bad to take the fiber out of sugar bombs? Who knew?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A glass of fruit juice still has calories in it. I would imagine that if you control for everything else that it's still a couple of hundred extra calories that one kid is taking in that some other kid isn't.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was raised to dilute it with water to get "more" of it.

Something interesting is that the article doesn't differentiate between "from concentrate" and "fresh juice".

It's "no added sugar" metric is flawed too because that likely doesn't count Aspartame, or other alternative sweeteners, as the Nutrition facts do not count them as sugar either.

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