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This is so stupid. NYTimes putting the phrase "to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border"...there IS no surge of migrants. They're pushing bullshit in a passive way to make it sound legitimate.
Yeah, migrants just love to surge come election time.
What a bullshit.
Remember the massive "caravan" of migrants Fox breathlessly talked about as it made its way to the border?
I'll never forget for months them screeching about it, and literally a day after the mid-term elections were over, the "caravans" were literally never mentioned again; until the next election year that is...
They'll do the exact same thing again soon.
They are probably still mad Trump cut aid to the three Mexican countries...
All lies. I don't believe US government numbers any more than I did during COVID. /S
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
According to these statistics, the same thing happens every year. If you look at the previous years they all start to go up in January then peak around May and start to decline after that. So what's the big deal if this happens every year? It's to be expected.
The conservatives have been trotting out the "southern border crisis" red herring for so long that The Democrats were the first party to do it in the US. They keep doing it because it works. Those of us that live next to the border, like I do, can tell everyone back east that there's no problem, but if one racist asshole starts yelling, there's a whole bunch of racist assholes that live 2000 miles away that get scared and riled up.
what conservatives are upset about is often legal migrants and sometimes tourists. Its more transparent when cons talk about black people as "black culture". They say its the "illegals" they're worried about, but I doubt any rich republican employs less than 6 "Illegals" because I haven't met a rich person that paid a fair wage. Its always been unserious.
The real problem is your deranged government officials bussing them all over the god damn US. Not that we can control your idiots but our idiots need to respond in kind. That is recieving them. Providing humane care and shelter. Then funding legal representation to sue the shit out of the people who sent them there.
Using human lives as a political hot potato is fucking despicable.
I live in California. Our government is receiving busses from everywhere.
I agree that Greg Abbot should be arrested on human trafficking charges.
Sucks that it is happening. The second we put those people on a bus America has an obligation to them as the people who have purposefully done them harm. They aren't just migrants anymore they are victims.
So in your estimation what do we owe them before they're put on busses?
Yeah and California already has a border with Mexico, so it’s not like “sharing the burden” is a legitimate argument. Texas just wants to stick its thumb in California’s eye.
Oh Texas hasn't sent undocumented immigrants to us. They've sent US citizens, that are experiencing homelessness.
Ah, because Texas, where housing is supposedly cheap, doesn’t have enough housing for everyone? Texas, where the taxes are low and there aren’t adequate public services, can’t provide for their own homeless population? Texas, where teen girls are forced into childbirth, can’t offer support the underprivileged children produced by this policy?
Oh, believe me, I have no love for Texas. I just didn't want to accidentally spread misinformation
Yes, using human lives as a political hot potato is despicable. However, the policy it implies (sharing the burden of caring for immigrants) is actually quite reasonable, and already policy in places like Germany.
Im betting German policy is a bit more involved than buying them a bus ticket and forcibly making sure they don't miss that bus.
So lawmakers have their work cut out for them.
Too bad the lawmakers over here are agenda driven puppets.
Looking at the graph, it's well over 3x what it was in 2021..seems pretty obvious to me why this might be concerning.
No shit it was lower during COVID
During Covid the government enacted title 42 and didn't allow any migrants entry to mitigate the spread of covid. Since covid is over they rescinded title 42, now all the asylum seekers waiting at the boarder are crossing as they would have just been turned away before. This was a predictable outcome and next year the numbers will drop back down.
An interesting point and I would be curious to see if it would pan out.
What do you make of people coming from continents besides South America? Do we owe it to Russian or Chinese citizens to offer them asylum? From my perspective asylum is something you offer your direct neighbors who are fleeing threats on their lives. Offering asylum to literally any citizen of the world seems a bit extreme. If someone in China fears for their life, certainly there are closer and more accessible countries they can flee to.
Let's see what the source says:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
There were 50k more border encounters (illegal apprehensions) in December than the year before. In fact, encounters have been significantly higher than recent years since August (no data for January).
You can agree or disagree with the response to the influx of people at the border. But there is no denying there has been a considerable increase in traffic.
Except we've heard this (the surge point) every year for the past several election seasons and at other times. Someone didn't learn the lesson of the boy who cried wolf. Tough to get people to listen when it's actually happening if you bullshit them at other times.
I don't disagree one bit. The Border(TM) gets trotted out more than it ought to every couple years. That's probably why this issue will never be fixed--it's great at riling people up.
However, I think people should still be aware of the facts of the situation. At least if they actually care about the problem. Misinformation doesn't fix anything.
I agree. And I appreciate you sharing that information.
I also need to point out that you are sharing a .gov link and treating it like the bible.
I find .gov citations to be some of the least reliable sources of information on the internet.
America is OBSESSED with propaganda.
This right here confuses me. The people claiming that government numbers can't be trusted are the same people who regularly rolled out government covid death numbers are the gospel truth during covid. My personal belief is that those numbers were wildly overblown, so I'm willing to believe that in this case you might be right and the migrant numbers are also overblown. That being said you can't have it both ways. We're the covid death numbers false?
Brother, you caught a real one.
I am very confused.
I try to live my life mathematically. I cite sources that claim firm numbers frequently.
We are in a fucky time.
Everyone has the ability to capture unimpeachable figures, but everyone with a grasp on the raw data has a dude an inch over their shoulder saying "100 bucks if you fudge it."
We got strong in tech and the first thing we did as a digital world was fire the QA people and the auditors.
Seems like a great way to faceplant the gift of computers.
But what can you do?
If you think this is BS, then bring numbers and facts. This surge, at the moment, is real. Check OP's link.
It's real. It's happening. FFS, put politics aside, this is a humanitarian issue. And how are we to absorb so many extra immigrants this year?
Conservatives are bitching about jobs. Liberals are bitching about housing costs. Both concerns are wildly complex, but we have an issue right now, today.
Check my earlier comments and numbers. How do you propose to deal with an extra CHICAGO+ worth of humans? How fast can we build infrastructure and housing? I will point out, we're only talking about illegal Southern border crossings, leaving out the rest of the immigration story. FFS, my wife is an immigrant. We're trying to get her son over here.
I don't have ideas, no ideas we can deploy fast enough, I ain't that smart. But just because conservatives are pitching a fit doesn't mean our current border crossings are not an issue.
We're talking about live human beings here. Waving them off as a GOP conspiracy is ignorant at best, hurting people. Want to go to the border and tell those people they're not real? Tell them they're GOP pawns? Or, someone will come along and tell me they don't believe government numbers they don't agree with. Like the nuts did with COVID and the CDC?
I hear you. But you missed my point. Because at other times people lied about surges, it makes it harder to believe them when they occur. That's all I said. I have no alternate story or numbers for our current predicament.
Easy, just don't look. Then I don't have to believe it exists.
It's like the old sanctuary cities. Politicians pontificating that "all are welcome," and "no human is illegal," until their city actually gets too many of them. Then it's, "whoa there, they should stay in Texas, not come here!"
Ignoring the facts given to you because someone else lied about this in the past doesn't really make any sense.
Could absolutely be more enforcement, and not more traffic.
I think the increase is corroborated by other measures, such as the size of tent cities in Tijuana etc.
Still, even if calling it a "migrant surge" is factually accurate, that doesn't stop it from being propagandistic loaded language that any legitimate media outlet should avoid.
Did they add more enforcers, or did the existing ones get better at catching them?