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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What does unionizing your building accomplish?

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Collective bargaining, same as any unionization

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does a strike work in this case? Stop paying rent?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's correct, but it's not just "stop paying rent", as that's illegal. In general, a tenant union would either facilitate or assist with helping the tenants set up a rent escrow to be released when the problem is solved and the rent strike ends

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What leverage do you have though? You can't go on strike, you're legally obliged to pay the rent you agreed to. You can't withdraw your labour, because you don't do any.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You could work with a court and do something like put it in escrow so the court can see you not paying rent isn't just because you can't. Instead it's about withholding money from landlord to begin negotiations. Basically still acting in good faith but also withholding money to give you leverage. IANAL

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Double-check this for your state. For instance, in Ohio if your landlord is not keeping up on their end of maintaining the property you can go to the court and set up an escrow account with them that will hold your rent payments until ALL of the work is completed to YOUR standards, not theirs or the court's, and they are legally barred from taking any action against you for the duration and just about anything they do afterward is immediately suspect of being viewed as "retributive action" which is illegal under the state's renter's rights laws. Always read your rights for your state.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure, but it'd be cool for an entire building to withhold rent for building repairs, or repairs for an individual.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can typically do that without a union though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

probably easier with a union. You show the landlord you are well... a union... and in it together

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure if a union is the right term for that, but organising as a group and having a spokesperson is definitely a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds like it might be more like a coop. Alternatively, unionizing for the purpose of sharing information on the landlords' practices, tenants rights, pooling money for legal help, etc.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would think that if all the tenants banded together, they could also negotiate on rent rises. I doubt they could prevent them, but they could certainly threaten to refuse to pay collectively if it was too high. Yes, that risks evicting the whole building, but that seems like a bad risk for the management company to take.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Forming a "union" and not paying rent sounds like a sure fire way to get a whole building evicted.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said refuse to pay the rent increase. Why would they evict the building over that? Because they don't want any rent at all?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's simply not how this works, if you don't pay your rent, you get evicted. And yes, a landlord likely would evict an entire building full of troublemakers.

The idea is, if you don't like the cost of something, you go somewhere else. Why would rent be any different?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And yes, a landlord likely would evict an entire building full of troublemakers.

Do you have an example of a landlord evicting every tenant of a large apartment building because they banded together to oppose a rent increase?

The idea is, if you don’t like the cost of something, you go somewhere else.

Have you not been paying attention? There is nowhere else. Rent is ridiculously high everywhere. You free marketers are not grounded in reality.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have an example of a landlord evicting every tenant of a large apartment building because they banded together to oppose a rent increase?

Has anyone tried this before? this entire premise just isn't realistic, the only leverage you have over a landlord, besides knowing the rules, is taking your business elsewhere, AKA a boycott.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the whole point of unionizing the building. So yes it is realistic and yes it does give you leverage. Do you really think they would evict 50 apartments simultaneously?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you really think they would evict 50 apartments simultaneously?

Yes, yes I do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would they risk losing all of that income when they would lose a lot less if they just negotiated with the tenants? Sounds like they're really bad at business.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they could replace them with tenants who will not only pay the new rate, but not be a pain in the ass.

Your hypothetical tenants are not negotiating from a position of strength at all, they can be easily replaced.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They could reach full capacity before they lost enough money to make it not worth it? Where would all of these people willing to pay their higher rates come from?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you not been paying attention? There is nowhere else. Rent is ridiculously high everywhere.

According to you, there is a shortage of rental properties, and no shortage of tenants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There's a shortage of affordable rental properties. Why are you not aware of this?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/12/housing-renter-affordable-data-map

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Co-op, as in a cooperative housing ownership

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Coop, as in a really tight space made of wirefence

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

With as small as some of those apartments are, you're probably not too far off

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago