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[–] [email protected] 56 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

How does one address the paradox that, as JSON itself is evil, one cannot use it for evil?

(opinions may vary on the above; but it's mine, so nyah nyah.)

[–] [email protected] 38 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

It's less evil than XML or YAML

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

YAML is (mostly) a superset of JSON. Is the face hugger any less evil than the alien bursting out of your chest?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's got enough serious flaws and quirks that I can feel smug hating on it. JSON is far from perfect, but overall it's the least worst of human-readable formats.

Only Python manages to get away with syntactical indentation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The complaints about yaml's quirks (no evaluating to false, implicit strings, weird number formats, etc.) are valid in theory but I've never encountered them causing any real-life issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

no doesn't become false, it becomes Norway, and when converted to a boolean, Norway is true. The reason's because one on YAML's native types is an ISO country code enum, and if you tell a compliant YAML implementation to load a file without giving it a schema, that type has higher priority than string. If you then call a function that converts from native type to string, it expands the country code to the country name, and a function that coerces to boolean makes country codes true.

The problem's easy to avoid, though. You can just specify a schema, or use a function that grabs a string/bool directly instead of going via the assumed type first.

The real problem with YAML is how many implementations are a long way from being conformant, and load things differently to each other, but that situation's been improving.

[–] ryathal 31 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

XML is ok for complex docs where you have a detailed structure and relationships. JSON is good for simple objects. YAML is good for being something to switch to for the illusion of progress.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Meh. I just wish XML was easier to parse. I have to shuttle a lot of XML data back and forth. As far as I can tell, the only way to query the data is to download a whole engine to run a special query language, and that doesn't really integrate into any of my workflows. JSON retains the hierarchy and is trivially parsed in almost any programming language. I bet a JSON file containing the exact same data would be much smaller also, since you don't list each tag twice.

[–] ryathal 1 points 1 hour ago

There are parsing libraries, maybe not as many or as open, but they exist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

It's still using the lesser of 3 evils, we need a fourth human readable data interchange format.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"Problem: There are ~~3~~ 4 standards

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Obligatory xkcd

Standards

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

>TOML has entered the channel

Any human-readable format compatible with JSON is inevitably going to be used as an interchange format...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Hmm, hard to argue with that :P