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Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there's an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.
Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer more advanced reading lists regarding Marxism if you'd like, but this is a good starting point.
Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.
Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.
Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must do so.
Be persistent. If you feel like a single water driplet against a mountain, think of the Grand Canyon. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.
I think an underrated piece of theory that the right-wing seems to understand and utilize more than the left is Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord. They seem to be very good at recuperating our theory and twisting it to their own ends, while we on the left struggle to dΓ©tourne their words and ideas in a way that promotes leftist thought.
I think media theory in general is a big aspect where the left is losing.
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Also, one of the best ways to survive a fight is to escape it. If getting armed isn't practical, a high-powered flashlight that can temporarily prevent an assailant from seeing you clearly enough to attack and approach is a good move. A group with laser pointers can work, too. Can be quicker and more accurate than pepper spray, but more effective at long range than close.
That's an interesting point! I agree that Capital does a great job of subverting, de-fanging Leftist theory, co-opting it and churning out opportunism. "Hollywood Resistance," if you will. I think Lenin said it best in The State and Revolution, at least with respect to Marxism specifically but applicable broadly:
Also good point with respect to Self-Defense!
Also, I wonder if we should be considering the move to organizing on secure channels instead of in the open in places like here on Lemmy? Like Matrix has end-to-end encryption out of the box and its at least similar to Discord.
Depends on the purpose. For organizing? Yes, I agree. For agit-prop? Lemmy instances vary in security. Some instances have Matrix rooms as well.
In this critical time, I do think it is important for well-read leftists to channel the defeat liberals are feeling right now and try to push them to read more and take a more active role in politics. That becomes harder in Matrix rooms vs open federated servers.
The left inherently recuperates through political education, but cannot do much about the society of the spectacle without winning revolution, as it does not have cultural hegemony. Debordists would traditionally go on mindfulness field trips and such, which is fun, but not really building power.
The left needs to build: it needs more and members. This means political education and doing organizing work, with everyone levelling up skills, planning and executing actions, recruiting, studying, and running education programs for the recruited. And all of this means nothing without the context of an organization, so join one that looks good and revisit your decision every few years as you develop politically yourself.
I very much agree. The key part at this moment in time is to craft an appealing narrative that's at least as palatable as what the right is peddling. What's happening is that people in the mainstream are increasingly becoming disillusioned with the system, and they're starting to become open to new ideas as a result. They're going to start shopping around and settle on a narrative that makes sense to them as an explanation of what's going on and what needs to be done to make their lives better.
The right has been doing a really good job convincing people of their narrative because a lot of it builds on the existing tropes, small government, more personal freedoms, etc.
The really challenging part for the left at this time is to come up with a narrative that's easy to digest, that inspires people, and gives them a long term vision for the future. It has to be a long term vision, something people feel that's worth fighting for, even if there's no quick reward on the table.
That's interesting, I hadn't thought about things in those terms before. I am wondering whether part of why the right seem to be so good at recuperation is that the right (in particular, fascists) benefit from capitalist support. Money and media have a lot of power; I weep for the people who were indoctrinated to hatred to the extent that they voted against their own interests. The scales are tipped in the right's favour in that regard. What do you think?
(I haven't read Society of the Spectacle yet, in case that addresses some of what I'm saying)
Tangentially related, but I'm reminded of this quote from Disco Elysium:
The scales are heavily tipped in Capital's favor, not necessarily the Republicans alone.
Spontaneous revolution/organisation for revolution has been promised for a long time, and is no closer to happening.
I am not advocating "spontaneous" organization or random revolution. I am arguing for joining orgs and building Dual Power. As for revolution, the US is a pot of an unknown liquid constantly heating up as Capitalism decays. The boiling point is unknown, but the fact that conditions are worsening and contradictions are sharpening at increased rates means it still is likely to come.
I just like, don't believe it. Capitalism is hundreds of years old, and it's only gotten stronger.
Why do you believe it is stronger? The fact that Capitalism's decentralized markets result in centralized monopolist syndicates is exactly why Marx predicted Socialism to be the next stage in Mode of Production. Marx said it best in the Manifesto of the Communist Party:
Lenin further analyzed these monopolist syndicates and described why we are seeing dying, decaying Capitalism in his work Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. Once competition begins to die out, the Rate of Profit sinks and these Monopolist Syndicates strangle each other. The only way to fight this rate of falling, other than further automation which further lowers the rate of profit, is joining each other in ever larger syndicates, which is not infinitely replicatable. Capitalism is in its death throes.
A good, quick read if you don't want to dive into books is the article Why Public Property?
I mean, the idea of socialism has certainly seen setbacks since the end of the last century, hasn't it? While gross inequality is still a huge problem, and I hope it will be solved somehow, the Lenin/Stalin version of socialism feels like it has basically lost.
I hadn't seen this one before, thanks for that. There's some great examples in here, on the subject of monopolies.
Monopolies and particularly oligopolies are having a moment, but the chart only goes back to the 70's, and implicitly shows total company number going up (why is hard to say, it's a paywalled article, and they mixed data from two other sources). If you go back further, I think it would look pretty different - the old gilded age ended, Standard Oil was broken up, and some of the giants of the postwar era got knocked down a peg or more. Further, the trend is pretty uneven by sector. Mom and pop shops are dead now, but independently owned franchises and publicly traded whatevers are hella dominant, and contractors (or "contractors") are everywhere.
I actually know quite a bit about semiconductor manufacturing. It may be the most capital intensive endeavor of all, but you don't quite need to be Samsung to do it. If you want to build your own at scale, a fab might be "only" a billion dollars. That's a lot, but many startups have raised it (for other things), so it's a different story from being Samsung on day 1.
If you just want your chip design made, it's way easier. TSMC exists to build other people's designs. Companies like Sam Zeloof's new enterprise exist for small scale printing of your prototypes. Most of the basic design tools can be found open source.
The network effect has made some genuine monopolies and definitely many oligopolies, but other things are less affected. Individual rich people get rich by chance (if you don't mind me introducing my own source, which happens to be my favourite one).
All this to say, I don't think concentration is going to kill capitalism in the near future, or even come close.
It's a tangent, so I've separated this out, but this is also an interesting claim. The end of feudal economics is an actively researched bit of history, and was far from neat and tidy. IIRC some of those old fealty-type agreements lasted into Marx's time, if being mere formalities by their end. And I'm not sure why we (correctly) decided slavery was bad after doing it since before recorded history, either.
Socialism hasn't been perfect, the only people that think leftists are arguing for perfection are right-wingers. Marxism-Leninism is still correct analysis, and the USSR was still a massive improvement on existing conditions. It has not "lost," it is continued by Cuba, China, Vietnam, Laos, and more. Blackshirts and Reds debunks a lot of common anti-communist myths.
One thing you seem to be misunderstanding is the idea that because there are mom and pop shops, that there aren't fewer and fewer, with decreasing portions of the overall share of Capital. The barriers to legitimately compete with these megacorporations like Samsung are getting higher, you can't legitimately compete with their resources and design work.
Finally, your mark on the presence of new modes of production emerging from the old is a misconception of the Marxist argument. What is Socialism? explains that in further detail, and Productive Forces explains societal progression. Slavery resurging was an aspect of settler-colonialism, a notion that remains to this day, this was not a resurgence of old pre-feudal economics.
Feudalism was status quo in most of the world since the dawn of civilization and it was replaced in many parts of the world.
Yeah, and I'm still not sure how that happened or if democracy is here to stay, honestly.
I can't really see things going back there economically, though - modern technology is just too good, and isolated illiterate peasants can't make it.
Edit: Unless we really fuck up and cause nuclear winter or something. I suppose if we're starting from scratch being agrarian again is on the table.
Infinite growth is impossible on a planet with finite resources
That's not the problem with Capitalism, the problem with Capitalism is that decentralized markets through competition result in monopolist syndicates. The endpoint is one single, centrally planned monopoly, at which point public ownership and central planning along democratic lines is critical. We don't have to wait for that point, but Capitalism cannot last beyond it.
Correct. In the long run every sector is going to end up like agriculture in the Midwest - all the land is in use, it's just a matter of planting and harvesting the same way each year.
Lack of hope is a benefit, but not for you. People thought that a revolution was impossible even before the 20th century, and still, 1917 happened.
For a while, and then it failed. Meanwhile, the Western world got more and more free market.
Yeah, and we need to make it last next time.
Well, to go back to my OP, good luck with that.
After ww1 there was one socialist country.
After ww2 one third of humans lived in a socialist country.
That number has risen since. Capitalism is slowly making its way off the stage of history.
No, no it hasn't risen since - unless your definition of socialism has expanded far more than I agree with. Meanwhile, economies elsewhere have gotten more and more market-oriented and financialised.
Pretty sure most of that is just him advocating for mutual aid/defense networks at the local level should the rule of law (lol) break down
Nah, I am directly advocating building Dual Power along Marxist lines. I am a Marxist-Leninist.