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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Sure sure, the speed cam after the slope in the woods is for safety, mhm.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean I don't know how you could think it wouldn't be. Well signposted camera will help you pay more attention to your speed on the slope, it's woods so presumably animals could run out at you.

If you can't see a bright fucking yellow speed camera, and haven't been paying attention to the ten dozen signed, then that's 100% on you.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They are hidden here, not yellow bright.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It's clearly bright yellow.

Besides, you shouldn't have to be threatened with a speed camera to just stay under the bloody speed limit. It's literally a crime not to, and besides that it's reckless and dangerous.

Idiots that speed in cars deserve a special kind of hell where they're tortured by all the children their kind have murdered.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sucks to be whenever you are I guess. I'm used to that way they work where I live.

Fixed speed camera housings located within an area of street or highway lighting should be coloured yellow either by painting both the front and back of the housing or covering both the front and back of the housing with retroreflective sheeting. In an area not covered by street or highway lighting, the speed camera housing should be treated with yellow retroreflective sheeting.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a819278e5274a2e87dbe588/dft-circular-0107.pdf

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In the US every state I've seen has to put multiple warning signs out, starting about a mile out. It's 100% obvious.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Well. Don't keep us waiting. What country is surprising people with speed cameras?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I think whole D-A-CH? At least switzerland and germany.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Another stereotype busted for me. I really thought it's an ex-Soviet thing. "Скажи-ка, дядя, ведь недаром в кустах ты прячешься с радаром?"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Probably you should be breaking on the hill? Regardless of if your foot's on the gas or you're just letting the slope do the work, you're still speeding which is a hazard.

Yeah, I'm sure it also racks up some revenue too. Why not get a few more bucks while keeping the careless on their toes?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

60 instead of 50 (because steep slope) is speeding?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, i agree, but that one was really a trap. Steep slope out of the woods, hidden camera and then 100's of meters straight unobstructed road.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

cameras do NOT make the roads safer. it's a revenue stream based off ripping off it's citizens. if anything everyone slams on their brakes when they see one causing more accidents.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Why on Earth is this unfounded argument getting upvoted so heavily? Objectively the science says that it reduces injuries and deaths. Per the linked Cochrane systematic review of 35 studies:

Despite the methodological limitations and the variability in degree of signal to noise effect, the consistency of reported reductions in speed and crash outcomes across all studies show that speed cameras are a worthwhile intervention for reducing the number of road traffic injuries and deaths. However, whilst the the evidence base clearly demonstrates a positive direction in the effect, an overall magnitude of this effect is currently not deducible due to heterogeneity and lack of methodological rigour. More studies of a scientifically rigorous and homogenous nature are necessary, to provide the answer to the magnitude of effect.

People on the Internet will just upvote the most confidently incorrect shit as long as it has enough confidence behind it and it vaguely aligns with their preconceptions, I swear.

[–] jballs 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think the sentiment against them stems from the fact that there are ways to reduce speeds without feeling like they're being used as a revenue stream.

Personally I like when there are warning signs saying "Speed camera in use ahead" since it has the effect of slowing down traffic and not feeling like a "gotcha" moment.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe just drive the speed limit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yes, because no one has ever gotten a ticket or in trouble for something they didn't do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Except they do make it safer and because there's always tonnes of signs around them you don't get the brake slamming. They act as a deterrent. Plus accidents at lower speeds are inherently less dangerous.

Mobile speed traps, however, are a definite revenue boost.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they do not post camera signs in US

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe you guys ought to campaign to get the law changed. They used to be grey over here, but pressure was put on the government and how they're all high vis yellow with loads of warnings before them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

how about just not ripping off people for doing 37 in a 35?

If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class. if it were a percentage of your annual income, completely different story.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Over here if you're just a bit over they'll normally put you on a speed awareness course for the first time getting caught.

And I 100% agree on fines being income based. I think some of the Scandinavian countries have done that. I also think there needs to be some kind of catch for the super rich who work the system so they don't really declare an income. Maybe if your net worth is x times the national average the fine is the greater of either a percentage of your net worth or income.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And how am I supposed to attend a speed awareness course while working over 40 hours a week?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"hi boss I need to take a half day holiday on X date, I have to attend a speed awareness course"

"Hey bob, can I swap a shift with you on X date, I'll work your X Saturday. I've got to attend a speed awareness course "

Or if you're to chicken to tell the truth replace with dentist. Or just throw a sickie.

It's hardly rocket science.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My work is not like that. Not all jobs do sick days. If I miss a day I delay a project and have to kill myself getting it back on track.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Riiighhtt because you're sooo busy and soooo important to your job that you can't take a morning off. Speed awareness course is like 4 hours and you can do over video call. Get a fucking grip.

Or, if you are genuinely so important and busy you must be paid a bomb, so just pay the fine, take the points, pay the bit extra on insurance. Job done.

Or, here's an idea. Don't break the mother fucking law in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't want the law changed where I live, because these cameras are prohibited!

Several states in the USA prohibit speed cameras and traffic light cameras, because a citizen must be able to face their accuser when accused of a crime. This is a great example of freedom in the USA, where we do not let machines automatically issue fines against human beings.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The government would be the accuser?? Just because a camera is used for evidence doesn't make the camera THE accuser. Civilized nations have a way to fight the camera-issued fine, for example if the photo doesn't show your face.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

UK is not civilised in this case. Cameras usually photograph back of a car here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They litterally demonstrably do. Either actually engage your brain and look things up instead of parroting nonsense or take your bullshit back to reddit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for your belief that speed cameras make the road significantly safer?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In the vicinity of camera sites, the pre/post reductions ranged from 8% to 49% for all crashes and 11% to 44% for fatal and serious injury crashes. Compared with controls, the relative improvement in pre/post injury crash proportions ranged from 8% to 50%.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20927736/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

However, whilst the the evidence base clearly demonstrates a positive direction in the effect, an overall magnitude of this effect is currently not deducible due to heterogeneity and lack of methodological rigour. More studies of a scientifically rigorous and homogenous nature are necessary, to provide the answer to the magnitude of effect.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Nice of you to take that out of context.

Thirty five studies met the inclusion criteria. Compared with controls, the relative reduction in average speed ranged from 1% to 15% and the reduction in proportion of vehicles speeding ranged from 14% to 65%. In the vicinity of camera sites, the pre/post reductions ranged from 8% to 49% for all crashes and 11% to 44% for fatal and serious injury crashes. Compared with controls, the relative improvement in pre/post injury crash proportions ranged from 8% to 50%.

Authors' conclusions: Despite the methodological limitations and the variability in degree of signal to noise effect, the consistency of reported reductions in speed and crash outcomes across all studies show that speed cameras are a worthwhile intervention for reducing the number of road traffic injuries and deaths. However, whilst the the evidence base clearly demonstrates a positive direction in the effect, an overall magnitude of this effect is currently not deducible due to heterogeneity and lack of methodological rigour. More studies of a scientifically rigorous and homogenous nature are necessary, to provide the answer to the magnitude of effect.

the consistency of reported reductions in speed and crash outcomes across all studies show that speed cameras are a worthwhile intervention for reducing the number of road traffic injuries and deaths

They know they're objectively beneficial, and now they just want to firmly measure to what extent that is. They nonetheless express zero doubt that it's positive based on the existing evidence.

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