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I’m struck by the fact that as a trans woman I look more cis than some women I know who’ve given birth. I’m actually worried about a cis friend of mine if we ever get bathroom laws here.
I've been trying to explain to my less enlightened family for years that requiring a trans man to use the women's bathroom only makes it easier for men to just walk in since having a beard and a dad bod no longer means you have to use the men's room.
These laws just don't make any sense and can only make whatever they are afraid of (men hearing their wives and daughters tinkle, apparently) worse.
That's what has always stumped me. They do realize that trans men look like... men. Right? Like, they want some dude to just stroll into the women's bathroom? Like, legally want that dude to be forced to stroll into that women's bathroom?!?
The dude doesn't want to be in there. Women don't want the dude to be in there. Why do these politicians want the dude to be in there?!
and the trans person gets assaulted in the bathroom they are 'supposed' to use! Its just an excuse to banish us from public, there is no right answer.
Exactly. It’s like telling black people to use their water fountain. But there isn’t a fucking water fountain for them.
Regression of society sucks to watch in real time.
Edit: hope this isn’t an offensive correlation. 💀
I've been saying that for a while. Not only does this open up many trans women to additional harassment, it also opens it up to any cis woman someone decides looks too masculine to be a "real" woman.
Let's cut to the chase.
This bill, and many like it, are created with a clear purpose: to subjugate women. Harming the LGBTQ2+ community is almost secondary, since they can do that just fine already.
Yeah. It’s like a two for one special for these fucking assholes. Infuriating.
Just curious; why did you put a 2 in LGBTQ+? I’ve just never seen that before and wonder what it means? Does it capture the IA?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit
What the hell. How have I never heard of this? Thank you!
No problem. It’s a more common term in Canada, so I’ve been seeing it since I was in high school which was like 15 years ago. In my head the “long” LGBT string has always been 2SLGBTQIA+ but I realize the “2S” part isn’t as well known.
Ahhh, that makes sense. I’m from America and have seen it evolve from LGB > LGBT > LGBTQ > LGBTQI+. I’m unsure of how well your natives are represented in Canada, but the way we treat them here speaks as to why I’ve never heard the term. They are practically 2nd class citizens according to our government.
You are unlikely to if you aren't in Canada. It seems like Indigenous folk down in the States don't have quite as much success spreading widespread awareness. I produced some stuff and had to explain to a bunch of Americans what a land acknowledgement was. For the past 5 years where I am they are performed before any meeting or performance. Up here 2S gets top billing at the beginning of the LGBTQIA initnialism to give deference to gender categories that were suppressed by European supremacist colonization.
People in the US do land acknowledgments. I don't think the indigenous really care one way or another. It's still stolen land, an acknowledgment isn't giving it back.
I'm in Minnesota, we do land acknowledgements here, and the longer initialism I often see is LGBTQIA2S+, but I've never seen the 2S getting the top billing. That said, I think I can speak for all (reasonable) Minnesotans when I say that we're willing to do that when we become Canada's newest province.
2 is for 2-spirit; I've seen both 2 and 2S, but either way it refers to Indigenous 3rd-gender folks.
You learn something new every day… Thank you for the info!
Based on that numbers it will be mostly cis woman who get harassed. There have been plenty of cases of it already. There was a few big ones in my state when people complaining that their daughters lost in sport
Conservatism has only ever been about the most superficial of ideals.
Many of them would have no issue at all with extending laws about gender to laws about appearance and I'm not even kidding. We have plenty of examples from right-wing governments and social trends of the past absolutely leaning into ideas like phrenology or inherent, essential qualities that go alongside things like hair and eye color.
You should be concerned for your friend, everyone should be concerned that if allowed to mature, conservatism in the US would throw us right back into a time when people can face legal penalties for what they choose to wear, for how they express themselves, for the shape of their face and a thousand other ways they would want to police the world around them so it continues to look the way they want it to look. And too bad if you don't look like someone who should live in that world.