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[–] [email protected] 123 points 3 months ago (48 children)

Biden shares many of my values and goals, but because he isn't perfectly aligned with my values and goals, I'm voting Trump, a man that shares NONE of my values and goals, as a protest. What could go wrong?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Democracy works by criticizing your elected officials until they make necessary changes. People NEED to be putting Biden's feet to the fire to end the genocide in Palestine. Just because Trump would be worse doesn't make what Biden is doing ok. Criticism of one isn't an endorsement of the other. And Biden NEEDS the votes of everyone criticizing his response to the genocide. Instead of harassing people trying to end genocide, you should be asking why Biden supports genocide more than the young voters who he needs to win in November.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

The meme implies protest at the polls. Their comment is reflective of that sentiment. Criticize and protest US support of Israel independent of casting your vote in rebellion. The point stands that Trump encourages eradication of the Palestinians and Ukrainians, while oppressing working class Americans and repealing climate change progress.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Biden does not share my view that genocide is bad. If you want to vote for genocide guy because orange man bad, you are devoid of morals. You are a spineless worm, deserving only scorn and derision.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (22 children)

You somehow think "orange man" would be less into genocide? Genuinely? How???

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Obviously Trump won't be any better than Biden, but if Biden wants people to vote for him rather than sit home and vote for nobody, he should consider not doing genocide. You know, an elected politician trying to represent their voters? The thing democracies are nominally for?

The choices as they stand right now are:

  1. Vote for genocide
  2. Vote for genocide
  3. Don't vote

This sucks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I fully acknowledge this sucks. Juuust as frustrated as anybody, friend.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're the one arguing in favor of continuing to bail water out of a sinking ship like Dems have exploitatively argued for decades. This is your status quo, this is what lesser evils of the past have won you.

Disowning the present circumstances requires disowning every single application of your horseshit political perspective for about 50 years. Under neoliberalism, there have only been two Dem strategies: Republican-lite (e.g. Clinton), or lie about not being Republican-lite (e.g. Obama), and you've won about half the time and gotten us your "lesser evil" administrations, "crisis" after "crisis", and all those "lesser evils" have accomplished nothing but serving up new situations to keep choosing between Republican and Republican-lite.

If you want anything other than a farcical good cop/bad cop routine carried on until the country implodes, your strategy has thoroughly failed, repeatedly, for decades.

You have two options: live in madness and keep trying the same thing over and over again in denial of it having the same result, or accept that the "moderate" path is opposed to you ever getting an improvement, instead of the first step towards it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

This is your status quo, this is what lesser evils of the past have won you.

Thank you, this bears repeating. Voting for the lesser evil has consequences. These are them. The consequences are here. Blaming those of us who won't vote for genocide is like blaming the people who don't give a homeless beggar $20. Sure, that money could help the guy get a meal today, but he's in that situation due to decades of neoliberal policy. It's ridiculous to heap the culpability for all of that on the skinflint today.

If you want anything other than a farcical good cop/bad cop routine carried on until the country implodes, your strategy has thoroughly failed, repeatedly, for decades.

The historical pattern is that pendulum swings and the party in the White House changes after each President. So, there's a good chance of that implosion coming in 2028.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Genocide is a deal breaker. Unless democrats create an arms embargo on Israel, zero chance I vote for them

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Jfc nobody said to vote for trump.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's sarcasm. And voting for a minor party candidate is a vote for Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

everyone knows that when you vote third party those votes are just tallied up and given to whatever republican is running

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (14 children)

voting for a minor party candidate is, quite literally, not a vote for republicans.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Um actually, voting for a third party is a vote for Democrats sweety.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

What values and goals could anyone possibly share with Biden? You're pro-modern Jim Crow? Pro-imperial hegemony? Pro-genocide? Pro-banks keeping peoole un debt forever? That's all he's ever stood for

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  1. What values and goals does Biden share with Leftists, other than not being as far-right as the Republicans?

  2. Who said anything about voting for Trump? I myself am voting Biden most likely because he isn't as bad as Trump, but I share practically nothing with his views.

What person is criticizing Biden from the left but actually voting for Trump, other than the strawman you created?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (20 children)

Supporting of unions is a pretty big thing biden supports that leftists also support, nevermind his views and actions on climate change and bodily autonomy.

Your comment is wildly reductionist and supremely ignorant.

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