Good job intel. Thx for software locking my 3 months old 13th gen CPU.
After this, I don't think i will buy a team Blue solution ever again.
At least with Nvidia FG lock exclusively to 4000 series, there is a hardware reason so it's swallowable.
Software locking is not.
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You will get it. Just wait few months. Dont fall into these dumb youtubers trap.
Never say never.
While it's a dumb move from Intel (they have serious competitor) now it's time for customers and reviewers to be vocal, AMD tried shenanigans with AM4, but we won, now it's time for Intel.
Sorry for being ignorant but what are the AM4 shenanigans you are talking about?
Frame gen could be used with older gpus just a question if nshitia wants it, looking at you far 3 hoping you finally release
Nope.
Nvidia and AMD's frame gen work completely differently, AMD for the most part uses software, Nvidia's is mainly all hardware based.
The optical flow accelerator inside Ada is roughly 4-5 times faster than the OFA in Ampere, Using the OFA in Ampere to do FG wouldn't give any performance uplift, It would infact result in a performance penalty. An Nvidia engineer spoke about this when frame gen was first shown and said eventually they may be able to make it work on 3000 series but the uplift would be absolutely minuscule to non existent.... but as per usual with lunatics on the internet he was called names, Threatened with violence, Murder etc etc.... which is why we generally don't have experts interacting with the public anywhere near as much as we would like.
So you are buying amd cpus that don't have apo either. Great idea...
Who needs E cores when you can pull the same benchmarks as Intel at 2/3s the power?
What benchmarks are those? I can test it, let's go and see same performance at 2/3 the power.
I mean the 7800x3D trades blows with the 13900k, while using 2/3rds the power or even less in some instances.
with those instances only being gaming. most people who buy intel CPUs don’t only game.
also, they asked for benchmarks. you’re welcome to provide power consumption benchmarks. i know, for example, the 7900x is even with the 13700k in blender, but that’s just one workload. it seems hard to find power consumption comparisons for non high end workloads, so i’d love to see more
I have a genuine question. Would people feel better if they just dropped APO support entirely for all CPUs and just said screw it ?
No. Why would I take away someone else's performance because Intel is being anti-consumer?
So what would that leave us with, no APO at all? People wouldn't be happy or unhappy because it doesn't exist.
The point is it can be easily implemented into the previous generations and doesn't need to be a USP for 14th gen. Is it even a USP for 14th gen? Cause with 2 game support, that too not even the leading MP games, it doesn't mean much right now.
Sounds rather on brand TBH.
How does APO even work? I just see tons of articles which state that 12th and 13th gen does not support it but I don't read anything about how APO actually increases fps in games.
Despicable. Just bought 13th gen. APO won't convince me to buy 14th gen. I'll remember this. The choice between AMD and Intel was already close, now you've tipped the scale in their favour.
Is it a bit shady? Yes. Do we really missing out? No. I would never touch it anyway. I absolutely hate this "toggle there, scratch here before you run a game" on AMD. Keep it.
I don't understand, I get people want their views and up votes but this is a link to a video, where they have said they got that feedback from intel which could of been a random marketing person/bot response.
I don't see this as intel confirmation until they do a press release from the actual company
Yea I'm taking it with a grain of salt. "No plans to support.." is some of the safest corporate jargon you can send out. It sets up zero commitment or expectations. Intel could then comment in a couple of weeks that they have rolled it out to 12th & 13th gen chips as they "Shifted resources and priorities to ensure APO worked properly on previous generation chips"
I think my favorite part of these threads is people virtue signaling they will never buy an Intel product again because of this. Talk about dramatic.
Hey thanks Intel, I went with Intel even though it's slower and consumes more power because I trusted Intel more than AMD. Guess I will never buy a new Intel CPU :)
I’m about to return my 13th gen and get a 7950x3D
To be fair it's a bit useless outside of 2 very specific games, Metro Exodus and Rainbow Six Siege, By the time it becomes usable in all games we'll likely be on 16th gen.
Interesting, I was already considering AMD for my next build lol.
This feature wouldn’t make someone buy a 14th gen. I have one and it’s extremely hard to get it to even work and it only supports a couple of games, maybe in the future it will be something but for this gen it doesn’t do much at all, I thought that was also his point in the review. Only reason I got the 14th gen is because is basically a 13900KS but a lot cheaper. For some reason the 13900-KS are way over priced and the 14th gen gets literally the same performance as far as all reviews I’ve seen and tests.
Now having said that, I agree that if there’s not a hardware issue preventing them to allow a feature on prior gen’s (specially ones that are on the same socket type). it’s even if not from a practical standpoint but from a sales and marketing position such a stupid move.
Still starting with the next gen the hardware will be so different and better than who knows what they will do. But I’m not concerning myself with that since I don’t plan to upgrade for a few generations.
Nice job Intel, I spent a lot of money early this year on my 13th gen computer. You can count me out for my next computer upgrade.
Really sad if they don’t support this on “older” chips
Here are some out of the box vs out of the box. https://www.techspot.com/review/2657-amd-ryzen-7800x3d/ https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/18.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-14700k/18.html
You can see that the 7800x3D trades blows with both i9s and the 5800x3d trades blows with the 12700k and 12900k.
People need to chill. This feature is like early beta. Two games. Lots of us still waiting for motherboard drivers. I bet Intel supports earlier gens as this matures.
You need multiple clusters of E cores for it to even do anything. Basically APO uses one e-core per bank of 4 to maximize L2 cache for a game thread (l2 is shared by 4 e core clusters). So the only 12th gen cpu that will get meaningful performance is the 12900k. That means it only makes sense on processors with 8 or more e cores.
That’s not cool
I lucked into the i9-12900k bundle from NewEgg and have used Intel for the last 15-ish years but I'm seriously thinking of sending it back and switching to AMD.
Look, I get if the prior architectures are incompatible or, given that APO is specific to certain motherboards, maybe there's a hardware design issue there that can't be fixed with a firmware update.
But they didn't bother to say either of those things. They just said, "We're not doing it" and provided no details.
Actually absurd and anti-consumer.
Here we have AMD releasing new processors in AM4 and Intel decides to lock out a software feature lol.
Just disable the crappy E Cores.
Useless for high performance gaming anyway
Disabling them doesn't give you these benefits. Process Lasso also doesn't. This is something else.
Wtf Intel?
if they cant make this "feature" automated but must have actual techs sit and optimize each game manually it will die trust me, its kinda crazy how bad the "thread scheduler" must be tbh, they should focus on getting that thing to work instead of doing this
This is such a stupid decision, and then even for such an inconsequential feature that so far only works for two games. And I doubt there is any significant group that would upgrade from 12th/13th Gen even if it would be more widespread. All this does is create a lasting bad impression of people that recently bought a new Intel CPU. The person in charge needs firing.
Last AMD CPU I had was an Athlon XP 2400 +, own a 12700K will likely try AMD next gen and skip Intel over this move.
What a coincidence, i have no plans to support Intel again.