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[–] [email protected] 231 points 9 months ago (21 children)

Remember kids, these are the kind of things that got Elon his money

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not things like this, this exactly. He's the trust fund baby of an apartheid era emerald mine baron.

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[–] Tar_alcaran 124 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

You might be thinking that getting an x-ray every day is bad for the miners, but this is a ye-olde look through machine. Yes it's bad for the miners, but the guy looking at it is putting his face and uppee body right in the beam here. And I'm guessing he does hundreds of these a day.

Then again, old timey x-ray machines were pretty soft, ~~so~~ (edit) AND the miner is getting big dose of alpha and beta radiation too. And at least the technician isn't breathing coal dust, so it's probably a toss up who gets cancers first.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 9 months ago

Both people in this picture are being abused by the company. The difference is that the company also lets the white guy abuse the black guy, and for that reason, the white guy feels superior.

This is one of those things you see in fascist governments. As long as people are able to abuse someone, they'll accept a much worse station as well as a lot of abuse themselves.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago

Nah, the real contest is who gets the most cancer. Gotta catch 'em all!

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago

@Tar_alcaran ... if the miners even lived long enough to get cancer.

Diamond miners during Apartheid were working in unsafe conditions for ridiculously low wages, often coerced into being there, and at relatively high risk of tuberculosis.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

but the guy looking at it is putting his face and uppee body right in the beam here

Ah, but he's wearing gloves, so he'll be fine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

X-ray tubes, old and new, use high energy electrons that impact a metal to create the beam. Alpha and beta emission is from radioactive decay which is an entirely different phenomenon. But yes bathing your body in X-rays is bad for you

[–] Tar_alcaran 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sorry, I had a brainfart there. You're completely right.

The tube itself emits xrays, but soft xrays have a very high chance of being absorbed by Carbon, Nitrogen and Oxygen. And since that's mostly what makes up a human, that's kinda bad.

Also he's digging up diamonds, which is in rocks full of radioactive materials. Diamond mine tailings are famously radioactive (and interesting) due all the thorium and radium in them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Cancer speedrun any%

[–] [email protected] 93 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This looks like a fluoroscope, basically an X-ray that is constantly turned on. The tech is looking at a live X-ray view, not a film transparency.

The radiologic exposure for both of them is orders of magnitude higher than a normal x-ray that we think about. A normal xray exposes you for less than a second, this is bombarding him with X-rays the entire time he is standing there.

[–] carpelbridgesyndrome 59 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Plus he had to do this every day at the end of his shift. Between that and the rock dust exposure I'd hate to see the cancer rates for those guys

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's bad for them, but imagine this doctor. He has to examine every one of them every day. If he didn't die of cancer he must not have lived very long.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

*technician

This guy doesn't deserve to be called a doctor.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Just because a guy in the past was a doctor doing shitty things is no reason to shit on x-ray techs. We really shouldn't put one type of work above another.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

I don't think any of these folks were making it to retirement either way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

So you are saying he obtained multiple Superpowers from the ungodly amount of radiation?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Sure, if you consider having a shit ton of tumors to be a superpower.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wow this machine can also detect cancers of you use it long enough.

[–] Tar_alcaran 29 points 9 months ago

100% accuracy with enough attempts!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Tbf. back then it was not uncommon to xray ones feet in a shoe store to see if the new shoes fit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Cause of cancer: too many shoes

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Now the state of California requires a warning label on shoes.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You know we still xray people at diamond mines here in South Africa. Try visiting a De Beers mine and see for yourself.

[–] can 44 points 9 months ago

Try visiting a De Beers mine and see for yourself.

I'm depressed enough as it is thank you.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Daily x-rays.... Seems like that won't have any impact to long term survival.

What a humane way to prevent theft.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I was wondering whether this was worse for the miners or the examiner. I'm sure that today modern technology protects the examiner more thoroughly and that they still don't care about the miners. But I could be wrong. Maybe they don't care about the examiner either.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My grandfather died in his 50s likely due to constant exposure from industrial xrays in the 50s and 60s. He was a college educated white guy in the US, so I'm guessing they give even fewer fucks about these guys.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Really? Jesus. I would have expected such a thing to have long died out.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So they do xray everyday ? If yes , then fuck rich people to death.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

This is pretty far down the list as far as reasons to not buy diamonds. They're not rare. They're not special. It's a rock with limited industrial use.

For added context, they're still cutting the hands and feet off of dependents (including children) of miners to ensure they work hard.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I do wonder whether this was actually an effective way to look for them. Even with modern high resolution x-ray imaging it may be difficult to see the contrast between soft tissues and diamonds since they're both primarily carbon

bones show up well since they're high in calcium, which has a much higher atomic number. Same with gold.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean if everyone tells you "we have a machine that can see through skin and can check if you have hidden diamonds" that would probably stop any attempts at theft that way. Even if it doesn't actually see them. Also, diamonds out of the mine would be uncut, and probably easier to see.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Correct. Both are "security theater".

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago

That's after the diamond has been cut. Raw diamond would be mostly encased in rock which would display differently

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago

Jesus fuck.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

Galton introduced fingerprinting in South Africa as an experiment after Indians introduced it to him. Managing miners using fingerprints was one of those moments capitalism and colonialism converged on science and technology and shaped the global sector we now call identification.

For more, read The Biometric State by Keith Breckinridge.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

If they're only checking the stomach, hiding it up your ass would work fine

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