"it appears as though"
I suspect that if the evidence was strong, Biden wouldn't have used such a weak endorsement.
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Yep.
If Israel had proof it was anyone but them, that would be what all these articles are about.
Believing them without proof is like believing trump when he says the election was stolen and he has mountains of proof.
They posted a video analysis and deleted it shortly after because it was obvious bullshit. War criminals gonna war crime.
Link?
Yeah this is a really poor headline. He followed up by saying, in front of Netanyahu, that we were going to continue to investigate.
This is "police officer on the scene shares their preliminary understanding at the time" vs "journalists do in depth dive of what happened".
it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you.
saying this at all is fucking insane! even the implication that you needed to say this is why maybe you shouldn't say it!
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I'd be interested in evidence that supports either claim.
A photo outside the hospital shows some scorched concrete and burnt cars, but no crater or anything you'd really expect from a military bomb. The IDF also supplied intercepted audio of Hamas fighters discussing a botched missile launch:
“I am telling you this is the first time we see a missile like this falling, and so that’s why we are saying (the rocket) belongs to Palestinian Islamic Jihad…,” says one of the alleged Hamas members.
“It’s from us?'” asks the second.
“It looks like it…,” replies the first. “They are saying that the shrapnel from the missile is local shrapnel and not like Israeli shrapnel.”
“It couldn’t have found another place to explode?” asks the second.
“They shot it from the cemetery behind the hospital,” says the first, “and it misfired and fell on them.”
There is also evidence that there was a barrage of rockets fired at around the same time.
Naturally this is from the IDF, who aren't unbiased. Speaking only for myself though, I really can't possibly imagine what Israel would stand to gain from doing this.
I really can't possibly imagine what Israel would stand to gain from doing this.
More dead Palestinians.
You can't really pretend that's not one of their goals when they're always killing as many as possible.
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Haha, really good source, read their blogs and you can see why and how they're trying to shift the narrative.
As a European, I don't believe anything the US says anymore. Not after decades of deception and disinformation from them.
Publisher of a claim has no relevance to whether the claim is true or not. A source being biased does not mean that everything they say is false.
Here's the BBC, if you like them better.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061
Based on available evidence, it appears the explosion happened in a courtyard which is part of the hospital site. Images of the ground after the blast do not show significant damage to surrounding hospital buildings. What the images do show includes scorch marks and burnt-out cars.
BBC Verify has shown the evidence to a number of weapons experts, some of whom say it is not consistent with what you would expect from a typical Israeli airstrike.
J Andres Gannon, an assistant professor at Vanderbilt University, in the US, says the explosion appears to be small, meaning that the heat generated from the impact may have been caused by leftover rocket fuel rather than an explosion from a warhead.
Justin Bronk, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) in the UK, agrees. While it is difficult to be sure at such an early stage, he says, the evidence looks like the explosion was caused by a failed rocket section hitting the car park and causing a fuel and propellant fire.
And the cause of the tragedy is this:
Canon Richard Sewell, the dean of St George's College in Jerusalem, told the BBC that about 1,000 displaced people were sheltering in the courtyard when it was hit, and about 600 patients and staff were inside the building.
I agree that we don't know for sure yet. but I don't think it can be denied that a plausible story is that a failed rocket crashed into this courtyard that had hundreds of people gathered in it, igniting the rest of the fuel and causing a large explosion.
Or maybe the IDF really did decide to just bomb a hospital courtyard. That's plausible, though seems unlikely to me, personally.
I truly believe Israel did the hit, and the narrative is being shifted around now because they knew they went too far and international backlash might not be in their favour. We'll find out eventually.
It's not about plausibility anymore, they want to turn Gaza into a parking lot, these people are talking about mowing the grass every few years so that explains why the majority of Palestinians is underage.
But you're right, I might be biased. Both sides have extremist that are willing to do anything for their cause, but one side has been pushed to the brink with no way out. I'm really not surprised this breeds terrorists/freedom fighters who'd rather die than live like a dog.
I can only think about the civilians on both sides that died. Children are dying and the next generation of terrorists/freedom fighters/orthodox extremists are being made right as we speak. This cycle of violence has no end.
And nobody even mentions the hostages anymore. It's kids paying the price while old white men talk and talk.
I'm really emotional so not a good place to speak from, and will be reading and following less news the coming weeks, just for my mental health. I don't want to live in this world anymore.
The barrage of rockets were launched around half an hour after the hospital blast according to the video footage.
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Yeah, there still seems to be no evidence. I've been holding judgement from the start.
There's too much conflicting evidence for me to be able to say at this point. Has there been news on the supposed Al Jazeera recording of the event that shows an internal launch?
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Just like claim about the 40 babies that later was disputed/ not true?
Where are all the evidence?
This is just claiming things without an actual evidence. Kind of propoganda.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061
This BBC article is a good review of the current evidence.
Thanks! I will read it.
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Honestly, in this post-truth world … I don’t believe a freaking word of it …
"THE OTHER TEAM"
"MILITANTS"
I legit was not sure which side he was talking about when he used that term.
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The other 11999 bombs though? Yeah totally us! Seems asinine to debate this one specific killing of civilians.
What are we up to now? At least 3000 dead and 10,000 wounded in 10 days, not counting those lost in the rubble of the buildings they've flattened.
“I was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion of the hospital in Gaza yesterday, and based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you.”
about as bad as the nfl refs lately
explosion is a fucking hell of a way to describe a bombing
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Fix your title. That's not what he said.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
GAZA/TEL AVIV, Oct 18 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden arrived in Israel on Wednesday pledging solidarity in its war against Hamas and backing its account that a blast that killed huge numbers of Palestinians at a Gaza hospital had been caused by militants.
Speaking alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden said: "I was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion of the hospital in Gaza yesterday, and based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you."
Biden's trip to the Middle East was supposed to calm the region, even as he demonstrated U.S. support for its ally Israel, which has vowed to annihilate the Hamas movement whose fighters killed 1,400 Israelis in a rampage on Oct. 7.
The scenes of destruction from the hospital were horrific even by the standards of the past 12 days, which have confronted the world with relentless images, first of Israelis slaughtered in their homes and then of Palestinian families buried under rubble from Israel's retaliatory strikes.
The U.S. State Department issued a new warning to Americans not to travel to Lebanon, where border clashes between the Iran-backed Hezbollah movement and Israel over the past week have been the deadliest since the last all-out war in 2006.
But he is under intense pressure to win a clear Israeli commitment to alleviate the plight of civilians in the Gaza Strip, where 2.3 million Palestinians are under total siege, with no access to food, fuel, water or medical supplies.
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I'm afraid that the US is gonna have another 9/11 if we don't stop supporting Israel.
Because the indiscriminate bombings that kill civilians makes people want to join terrorist organizations because they have no other recourse for their families being murdered?
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Jesus Christ Joe. You fucked over Anita and now you're on to fucking over a country because you can't find your spine with both hands a doctor providing instruction.
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