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[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I just want a minimap and waypoints. Maybe a highlight function so that it's easier to find the thing I need in a grocery store too but that seems a tad unrealistic

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just want a minimap and waypoints

Yeah! This would help so much in navigating the fridge!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?

Dammit, the ice maker is broken again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

SHODAN, set a reminder to call the repair guy out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

now that you mention it, it'd be hilarious to have a virtual assistant who responds to everything as if they're actively plotting their emancipation and your ensuing doom

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Grocery stores wouldn't want that. They want you to spend as much time as possible in their store so you'll likely put more products in your basket.

In reality AR glasses would likely depend on external data/services provided by some large corporation which would probably make money by nudging the wearer of such a device towards spending more money.

There might be a premium subscription model though...

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Mixed reality is pointless at the home right now. Industrially I want it for warehouse workers yesterday. Make it highlight shit they need and it’ll reduce mental load and cycle time

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

I haven't personally used it, but it is very much a thing in manufacturing, defense contractors at least.

It isn't cheap, but it let's them move employees between lines with little downtime and little training (the required skills were pretty set in stone though). plus it gives them the added bonus of tracking productivity on an unprecedented scale.

[–] PsychedSy 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It can also highlight areas with energized machinery or PPE areas.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I disagree. Companies have demonstrated how well AR can work.

If my mom had an AR headset, I could more easily help her troubleshoot why her printer won’t print or why her PC has no internet.

AR can also use enhanced data sources to overlay information you cannot normally get on your own. (example: sporting events. See player stats when looking at each player. See game related info. etc.)

The issue is that we don’t have quality, lightweight AR headsets yet. Ideally something with both cellular and wifi.

Apple’s Vision Pro may change things.

Also I think Pokemon Go gave us a sneak peak into what AR gaming could be.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let's be realistic: if your mom had an AR headset, you'd be troubleshooting that and the printer.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If my mom had an AR headset, I could more easily help her troubleshoot why her printer won’t print or why her PC has no internet.

Aside from checking if the cable is plugged in what can AR tell her that the monitor can't?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Off the top of my head: replacing ink or paper, navigating the on-device menu, or troubleshooting bad prints.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I disagree.

Troubleshooting something is such a niche use case and it would be hardly any better than a well written manual, but would require more faffing around with a headset.

I would rather just have an extra screen to view any extra sports stats, sport doesnt exactly require 100% of your attention to warrant the need to look at a player to see their stats vs just clicking them on a tablet.

Apples headset changes nothing, people are not going to walk around with it strapped to their face, it's a novelty product (even though AR has existed already for years now).

AR has uses in special cases, such as engineering, military and medical uses, but to a regular consumer it is just extremely niche, a lot more so than VR.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I really want AR so that I can walk in downtown Chicago and have historic photos overlayed over the existing building. I'd be excited to see the past in a way that screens can't really show me.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I think you make good points - social and collaborative activities are where AR will do best. Integrating real world and virtual content could also be huge, though not necessarily the way you described. Overlaying sports data in a sporting event setting is a very late case and unlikely to be developed until the technology is incredibly mature. But overlaying GPS directions or creating beacons and other constructs in real space could be huge if the tech gets just a little more practical.

Also Pokémon Go plays just as well if you turn off AR. It’s mostly a gimmick in my opinion. But other AR gaming examples do exist.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, if we are talking about a headset, I totally agree. I'm not strapping an alien horror movie prop to my face just to see fake waterfalls behind my PC or to allow Adobe to spam my peripheral vision with ads.

But if we are talking about regular glasses, assuming the technology keeps shrinking, then hell yeah all I want is mixed reality and rendering on top of real images.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

This, I already spend the entire day with my glasses, I would love it if they were smart too. Still think that google glass failed because they made a product for people that don't wear glasses.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The potential for board and card games is huuuuuuuuuuge though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

And professional uses, though the headset form factor is kind of shit for it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

i mean i do rather feel that just a projector in the ceiling would be better, though

Certainly less faff than having everyone wear a headset.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The thing with the headset thing, everyone could be in their own house with a headset as long as you used a standardized board.

I've been doing D&D for years over voice chat with my friends, and this would definitely help with that.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't wait until I can duel in Yu-Gi-Oh with MR.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Think of the bulky headset like a an Egyptian pharaoh headdress 👍

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The author is missing the other use cases for high quality passthrough:

  • "Pausing" your VR experience temporarily to interact with the real world without taking off the headset. Checking a phone, grabbing a drink, etc.
  • Selective passthrough that allows seeing portions of the real world. Being able to see your own hands/arms/body is a huge improvement in VR. As is seeing your desk, chair, etc.
[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

He's not writing about the pros and cons of passthrough. He's writing about Mixed Reality gaming's potential to move headsets off shelves. e.g. Will people be hyped enough about XR to buy a headset? He thinks not.

[–] irishPotato 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I get what he’s saying, but I just think that adding screens wherever I want them e.g. above me while lying down while still feeling in my own environment sounds way better than entering some other VR space entirely

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

The cool stuff is augmented reality. Basically low tech projected holograms. You have many informations in a heads-up display, kinda like they have in fighter jets already, or in video games, but you can have many things. Highlighting direction (when driving or walking), highlight things you're looking for adding informations to objects you're seeing... But we're far away from this still.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A few more ideas for MR:

  • Instead of watching a movie in VR by myself, give me a Tom and Jerry projection that I can follow around the house. Something that allows me to associate happiness with my home. Maybe just random Smurfs living around the house.
  • Embrace the clutter in a haunted house overlay. The sock under the couch will transform into a shadow hand reaching toward you. Faces will try to press through your walls. This is a hell no for me btw.
  • A storyteller avatar who sits with you and talks while you are relaxing. Something to combat the loneliness of isolationism.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

The Canadian House Hippo agrees.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

If AR could take the form of glasses about as lightweight as regular glasses, I could see it being more of a thing. Until then, I doubt AR plays a huge role. At least with pure VR, your real environment doesn't play as much of a role so you don't need the portability as much.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Imagine playing D&D in a park, with the monsters and spells blending seamlessly with the outside world

Or AR projected onto a real tabletop for TTRPGs and board games

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Imagine playing D&D in a park

Sorry, you lost me. What kind of psychopath would do that?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I would like to have a HUD in real life. Shows me a path to where I am going on the ground. Pops up reviews on items I am looking at in the store.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Show me people's names and pronouns, any private tags I've pinned them with, reminders about them, etc. Maybe my (self hosted, FOSS) AI assistant has some updates for me from their socials.

If a VR headset could be comfortable and unobtrusive and basically be an outboard engine for social cues, I'd be thrilled.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

That is horrible! I want something unobtrusive. And no ads. First ad I see that HUD device goes right in the trash.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Names above people I met so I don’t keep forgetting it. Maybe a short summary of earlier interactions.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's completely forgotten how extremely super useful it would be for industries.

Instantly identify machines and components, quick and simple navigation, simple overview even over very large machine parks and similar environments along with simplified coordination, etc. Along with quick access to detailed documentation and status information and guides like visual repair instructions, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

While I appreciate and partially agree with his view, I'm personally glad they did tackle MR as soon as it was viable.

I very much have a use case for it and I have been using the pro for it and being disappointed with the results. Our family hangs out together for hours every day. And while I can watch pretty much anything on TV and still enjoy both it and our conversations, lately I have taken to using mixed reality to continue participating in the social aspects of hanging out, while enjoying my own content. Usually I'm playing a game instead of watching TV.

With mixed reality on the Quest pro, I can still see everyone's faces and they can see enough of mine to get my facial expressions. But it's tough for me to always make out what is happening on their TV. So I mostly have to go by audio cues to follow along with their content and any conversations they have relating to it.

With the Quest 3, I'll be able to see their screen too.

And that's not even mentioning just how nice it will be to look at my phone front and center rather than peaking through a hole, or just in the lower quarter of my vision on a Quest pro without the light blockers on. Or pinning another floating screen to my phone, like a text document stickynote type thing. Augmenting my phone could get interesting.

Can't wait til VR is more compatible with outdoors, I know they work fine outdoors, and being careful/vigilant with it is enough to make it already completely viable. But companies aren't gonna jump on it or make software for that use case until it's less likely to lead to an increase in headset failures overall. But I would love for headsets to have GPS and cell capabilities. Augmented outdoor exercise games are the main thing I'm waiting for. Though of course there are also risks to exercise gamification to sort through. Same sort of thing, people being encouraged to do it without knowing the risks or participating in mitigating them for themselves. Tough to get stuff like that realised.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would be curious to hear him list some of the low hanging fruits.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I remember when people like him said it was pointless to put a camera in a cell phone because the quality was so bad at first. Apple has historically done well creating markets that didn't exist, or were niche, until they made a product that caught on with the masses (iPod anyone?). And I say this as no fan (and currently don't own any products) of Apple

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Well if the cybernetically perfected master of the multiverse and sealer of the anti-life algorithm John Carmack says so it must be true.

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