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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

  • Fascists and Nazis
  • Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
  • “Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
  • A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago

There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here

So who took the blog post down at Gnome?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 days ago (9 children)

X11 AND Wayland are for degenerates, a distraction at best but mostly just something that wastes CPU cycles and RAM.

THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!

The past and present are also terminal.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

obviously the future is shoving the ethernet cable up your ass and dialing in directly

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

That would explain 70% of the shit you can find on the internet

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 4 days ago

This probably has a lot to do with the new DOA XServer fork being "anti-DEI" (pro-discrimination). When these slimy shitweasels go out and vice signal about how bigoted they are, they congregate around it and form a new harassment campagin because they have no life.

Sorry you're getting harassed. I hope you can take solice in the fact that these little pissbabies lead miserable lives.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here. Go back to the cave you crawled out from where no sunlight can reach.

NAZI! DEVS! FUCK! OFF! 💯

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nazis AND Devs should fuck of?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

No. Nazis should fuck off.

Devs should just fuck.

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[–] captain_aggravated 28 points 4 days ago (27 children)

I do think ditching X11 is still slightly premature. For all its more modern features, there's still a lot that Wayland either hasn't implemented yet or "can't do" because of its "security model."

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Wayland is gay?! I need to get off my ass and finally switch then!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago

Can confirm, having my different refresh rate monitors play nice with each other is extremely homosexual.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

Looks like I have been an early adopter of Gay™️

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Once on internet, forever on internet :) Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Is this an effect of the microplastics in our brains?

[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 days ago

It's the effect of a persistent decades-long disinformation campaign perpetrated by those who wish to destabilize western democracies which has been signal-boosted by naive (or maliciously designed) recommendation algorithms on social media platforms.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So far they have only made me more gay

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As a commenter on that post says, this sort of talk is also common in the comments of Phoronix articles. The commenter says they've completely stopped supporting Phoronix since it's clear that Michael enables this behavior by not moderating it (the least he could do is disable commenting; the type of people that are in the Phoronix comments are the absolute worst). It's been festering for a very long time, unfortunately. Click any Phoronix article that's older than a day and check the negativity. Worse, click an article about a controversial topic like X11/Wayland/Systemd/bcachefs/KDE/GNOME/etc. and it's just a shitshow.

I've been seeing it to a lesser degree here as well. I don't know what it is about X11 that really riles up the conspiracy theorists.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

All these "concerned" comments about systemd, wayland, etc, always seemed dog whistling to me. I have critiques about these projects, but the specific things this specific type of people says always comes coded in some form of racism/transphobic/mysoginistic rethoric. Just changed from gamergate to linuxgate.

So i'm not surprised that they turned mask off like this.

Look at any anti-systemd channel, the comments are always the worst thing ever. Some lkml reading channels have these comments too.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago

The systemd and the Wayland debate both feel very similar.

At the end of the day the old method of using init scripts was becoming inadequate and needed to change

Wayland debate seems the same, switching to Wayland has been talked about for over a decade. The change has been coming and frankly I was expecting it a lot earlier

Whats neat about linux though is if you have nothing better to do and are knowledgeable enough to bitch about all of this; then you also have the technical prowess to standup an install of your favorite distro and get it to use X instead of Wayland and init scripts instead of systemd

For me as an enduser I hope Wayland enables more modern features to be delivered more easily as X has felt old for a while.

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[–] lurch 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

It's not like X11 will disappear immediately after that. People who need it just have to switch from Gnome to a cooler window manager 🤷

It's really not a big deal.

From my experience, I guesstimate X11 will be around for another 20 years after that and maybe some hillbilly will even make a Gnome fork that still supports X11. Then there will be X12 one day 😆

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

Haha what the hell did I just read

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