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Some academic researchers told Kamala ahead of time and she ignored it and did no investigations after. This alone says a lot.
Reads like conspiracy nonsense. Bring receipts.
Seriously. I’ve had discussions with people since the election about how they say it was stolen. Until there’s hard receipts, then it’s not even worth the time considering it to me.
How do you propose getting those "receipts"?
We don't, that's not our job. You don't just believe everything because it's hard to prove the opposite.
I mean that's the issue, that's also why this case that's going on is so huge. There's so many statistical anomalies that it's nearly impossible that he won every battleground state.....but there's been no smoking gun. There's never been solid enough evidence to warrant a court case. Hopefully we get the 'hard receipts' your looking for in this court case
Also can we talk about how data even comes to be? Who tf is paying for all these “hard receipts”? Who’s doing the work, who’s analyzing it, who has the access to everything needed to even do the work? The information is obviously being obfuscated and destroyed, like people asking for “hard receipts” think US fascism actually keeps their receipts when no fascist government has ever allowed contradictory information to spread or even exist? People seem to both love data and refuse to accept it’s so easily hidden, destroyed and changed in such an opaque environment. The only time “hard receipts” ever exist is in a completely transparent and forthcoming environment. Honestly most of what we all believe has no “hard receipts” they’re just accepted because it looks and feels right and we have some “soft receipts” to prove to others our feelings are more feelings than theirs
Control over media is a tenant of fascism
And even then, I'm not sure what it would accomplish. You're not going to undo Trump's inauguration. At best, it could protect the integrity of the next election, but now there are other options available to undermine it.
Meanwhile, elections since then have swung hard against Trump supporters, including one in Wisconsin where Elon dumped a small fortune and made a personal appearance. If they're so good at rigging machines, why aren't they continuing to use this ability?
I'm skeptical of this claim of election fuckery but, if it was true, you'd want to limit the use as to not get caught.
Here ya go.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link
Clicked on the last link
It's selling merch.
Using his own 'eforensics' methodology,
I'm out.
The first link is about voter suppression, nothing to do with the conspiracy.
Yes. That link is worthy of separate consideration, but has nothing to do with voting machines.
Unforgiveable.
This is BlueAnon shit.
No, its fucking facts just like in 2000 they stole election then too. They rigged the election. This isn't the only article you can find on this. They have clear evidence unlike Trump claims.
I was looking for that evidence, but all the report has are indications. Proof would mean there's messages that outline this plan, documents, audio recordings, the software backdoor used to kill the ballots anything like that.
I'm not saying it's a bad article, they provide good reasoning and the data looks really odd. Just until here it's a theory.
This article might not show it, but the one I read had the receipts. The lawsuit shows that in a district where the Democratic Senator got all the votes but Harris got zero. That isn't normal and not how it works. The machines were rigged. Especially when they have voters in that sane district swearing they voted for her as well as that Senator.
Thank you for the reply (and for engaging in meaningful conversation, which is a rarety on the internet). Could you share a link to that article? Not bc I doubt your word, I'm just genuinely curious
Here one, not the exact one I read before but close. https://medium.com/the-political-prism/a-new-lawsuit-points-to-2024-election-interference-df03f3217872
I will see if I can find it, was a week ago.
What should we do about the next elections?
Seems technically plausible, I'd like a group to try to simulate such an attack with the hardware pieces involved, implementing this in a proof-of-concept... let's see the Rockland hand recount as well and compare against official results. Until then it still sounds like a cuckooo conspiracy to me.
Things being where they are, and with how many MAGA supporters showed their true colours from brainwashing, at this point I would rather take the opportunity for the US to associate MAGA Republicanism with this dark time on the brink of fascism, than coast into mediocrity. It's a huge risk, but with the number of people united, coming together this weekend tells me there's a chance the people of America could come out stronger than their tyrannical President, spineless Congress and Supreme Court.
Easier than what I had imagined. A half measure wolnt work when palantir had years to plan. A swing state needs to do a full recount. And it can't be just any swing state. You see America is the particular kind of stupid that would purchase un-auditable, fully digital machines.
Ok, here's the deal. If you want to make a case for this, that's fine. HOWEVER (and it's a big 'however') we can't just sound like the same people who cried foul over Trump's lost election. We have to provide verifiable and independently verified proof.
In the primary article, we're lacking evidence that Tripp Lite UPS devices actually manipulated votes. There's no documentation of vote manipulation occurring at all, no verified communications proving coordination between the named parties, and the statistical anomalies are described but not rigorously analyzed or peer-reviewed.
The article builds an elaborate theory by connecting real business relationships and technological capabilities, but it doesn't provide evidence that these connections were actually used for election manipulation. It assumes malicious intent based on proximity and capability rather than proving actual wrongdoing.
The Common Coalition Report has many of the same flaws, chief among them being a lack of peer-reviewed evidence. Claims about man-in-the-middle attacks are technically possible, but unproven, and the connection between corporate partnerships and vote manipulation is purely speculative.
If you want to present this as the truth, then we need transparent statistical methodology, which means we don't cherry-pick data, and we can't mix legitimate concerns with unsubstantiated technical claims. While this report contains some legitimate concerns about voter suppression and references some real statistical analysis, the core claims about systematic vote manipulation through satellite networks and corporate conspiracies remain largely unsubstantiated. The evidence presented is primarily circumstantial, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof that simply isn't provided here.
The document appears designed more to persuade than to present rigorous evidence, using emotional appeals and political rhetoric alongside data points. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it isn't something we should be presenting to the general public as fact, lest we look like conspiracy theorists. Verify the facts, then present the evidence—all else is folly.
Stupid? Social media has already been used for manipulation. Apart from that, Trump always accuses his opponents of doing what he himself ultimately does.... Yes, all the accusations of manipulation from the last lost election were already targeted manipulation, and by a criminal... It was precisely with these accusations that he managed to keep the Democrats quiet and he was able to create even more of a mood with his fascist behavior.
Besides this all the lie's etc 24/7..
Oh yes, the arbitrary closing of polling stations and the premature ending of the vote count. The ignoring of so many declared votes...
But the evidence has to be ironclad to be actionable or else we're no better then them.
Context: I worked in IAM (computer security) at a past job.
In computer security, we don't wait to get proof that a vulnerability was exploited. We have to operate under the assumption that any vulnerability was immediately exploited, and take immediate action to fix it and limit the impact. Doubly so when the stakes are high.
We need popular support to get real security experts to investigate these claims. If there was even a single path that could have led to a vulnerability of this scale, we need to completely secure these systems and do an immediate recount/re-vote.
I'll also say, I was surprised to learn that these voting systems and their specs are not fully public and open source. That alone makes me very uncomfortable. Security through obscurity is not security at all.
That may be true. However, there were no accusations of vote rigging from either politicians or the public. Nor was this investigated... The election was not even checked for manipulation even though there were so many indications of it. Up to that point, however, there had been more than enough that would have more than justified investigations, but absolutely nothing was done.
However. Not counting and ignoring countless legal ballot papers and arbitrarily ending postal voting early etc. is actually proof enough of election manipulation. Since this itself is a means of manipulating the election results and this was even made public without opposition.
Wait. This article suggests that a UPS was an attack vector.
Really?
That's actually extremely plausible.
A smart UPS needs to have access to some very low level functionality on the machine it's connected to in order to safely power it off in the event of a power failure. So you're talking about having at least some root / kernel level access there. It's not crazy to imagine that a malicious driver update could slip in more.
As another poster commented, I'd like to see this actually simulated to be sure, but it's not an idea that I'm willing to dismiss out of hand.
All they need is the ability to report battery percentage and send an ahci shutdown command to the OS. This is usually handled by an agent running on the machine, otherwise networked ups's would be useless
Yes, but in theory a malicious driver could do more. How much more I'm not exactly certain of, but I'm not going to outright dismiss the idea. Like I said, I'd like to see someone prove it in a lab.
The most wtf part is using windows on a voting machine and the fact that windows trusts an UPS that connected via usb, I'm not sure how true it is but I'd kind of believe that, as usb is the best way to attack airgapped systems
The voting village at defcon is a nightmare, a dream or a joke depending on your perspective
The most WTF part is that you all use voting machines. In Canadian federal elections every vote is counted by hand, end of story.
💯 we should all be very wary of voting machines. If it's not fully open source and cryptographically verifiable, it's not secure.
Same in the UK
I can't speak for the whole US, but in Connecticut we use a Scantron sort of system where you fill in bubbles on paper and feed it into a machine. This leaves us with a paper ballot in addition to the machine's totals. Using machines isn't necessarily a bad thing, it makes the count a lot faster and it's not like human counters couldn't lie. If other states don't have that paper backup though, they should.
We use the same thing for civic and provincial elections in Canada, but for federal it's strictly hand count only.
The reason governments use windows is because Microsoft paid to have the various certifications done that are required by regulators. That's why when they do use Linux they end up using something like RHEL (the support contracts factor in too)
Sure, why not, any internet connected device is inherently unsafe.
I fucking knew it
I don’t know why the SMART guys don’t work together with the https://electiontruthalliance.org/ guys…
Copying trump won't help you