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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I always thought that was weird, given that the thing he (and Tuvok to one of the Maquis crewman on Voyager) was having her remove is a religious thing. I would figure Starfleet would have specific exceptions for such articles in the uniform code. And as the meme points out, we see Worf's sash all the time and that's a special exception deal.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Took a damned long time for me to like Riker again after this.

"Ah yes, a refugee from an occupied and dispossessed people. First thing i need to break her is that religious item she wears"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

You have to remember Ro's back story:

One of Ro's early assignments was aboard the USS Wellington. During that assignment in the mid-2360s, Ro was a member of the disastrous away team mission to Garon II. During the mission, Ro disobeyed direct orders, causing the eight other members of the away team to die. Ro was court martialed for her actions and refused to speak in her own defense. With little alternative, the court found Ro guilty and sentenced her to imprisonment in the stockade on Jaros II.

As far as Riker knew, she was directly responsible for the deaths of 8 crewmates.

To put this into perspective: Derek Chauvin was a member of the US Army Reserve from 1996 through 2004. As a cop, he killed George Floyd in 2020. Imagine Donald Trump granting him a pardon, reinstating him into the Army, and assigning him to a Special Operations unit to handle an important mission. That's what Riker was dealing with.

Ro's Introduction

Picard held the same opinion of her, until Guinan vouched for her.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well, he was a... friend to non-binary and very binary folks. So, that's something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Ok so I respect that but the dudes still a greasy disco salamander without the mutton chops

[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  1. Worf had already gotten permission to wear his alteration years ago on file. Ro didn't have permission yet.
  2. Deanna works with civilians, who may not be as open with her if she is wearing a uniform. Again, nothing a little off screen paperwork would clear up
  3. Riker takes a risk to assert his authority with an easy to find infraction to bust her with to let her know he means business.
[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And Ensigns don't get the privilege of dress code exemptions.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This and a couple other comments in this thread point to an aspect of Star Trek’s world building that hasn’t sat right with me for a long time. It’s supposed to be an utopianistic, egalitarian future. There’s no scarcity or need on Earth so everyone is supposed to be here because they want to be, out of a love of exploration and scientific advancement. So why is there such a disparity in treatment based on rank? Why does an ensign get stuck with a bunk in a hallway while Captain Picard gets a cushy executive suite? O'Brien at least had real quarters to raise his family in, but they were a comparative closet next to the bachelor Captain's. Doesn't seem right to me.

All to say that, in my mind, if an ensign needs to stick to a manner of dress, so should an officer of rank. They're all part of the same fleet and deserving of the same respect.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

As far as Riker knew, this ensign basically killed the 8 other members of her away team. She was only pardoned because Starfleet needed her. She informed Riker and Picard that she didn't want to be there, and the only reason she accepted the assignment was because it was better than prison.

He threw the book at her because, as far as he knew, she was a despicable person deserving of far worse.

It was later discovered that the deaths were not her fault, and Picard and Riker both treated her with tolerance and respect.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why does an ensign get stuck with a bunk in a hallway

Because space is the final frontier, there just isn't enough on a ship.

But actually I found the bunk in a hallway stuff weird. The ship at any given time is full of civilians, children, people preparing to colonize new worlds, etc. It seemed clear to me that everyone/every family had a nice little apartment they lived in.

I know this was different in the Lower Decks animated show, but was this true in live action?

I also think we see Ro Laren's quarters at some point and she has standard quarters.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago

The interior space inside a Galaxy class is immense. A standard US aircraft carrier has a crew of some 3000 sailors. It is utterly dwarfed by the Enterprise-D. Forget the official crew manifest. The real world designers thought too small. 642m in length, 463m wide, 195 height, and 42 decks total. That saucer section alone could house 10k people easy, and probably 50k in an emergency. With only 3k aboard, they all ought to have a respectable living quarters to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago

I always thought the hallway bunks were for on-call positions to get rest in between work, not meant as personal bunks.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That outfit somehow both covers everything and is yet barely decent at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The costume designers knew what they were doing:-).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any shorter and we would've seen Picard's Lieutenant

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I dont know what happened but while I was watching that clip all of my clothes fell off and Sir Patrick Stewart saw everything

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well now I've seen everything...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

The essence of sexy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

That does look like a pretty comfy outfit though...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

That's just sexy though.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Another reason Jellico was a great captain. Made Deanna put on a real uniform (which looked great on her btw).

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In the US Army Sikh soldiers can wear their turbans, beards, and kirpan due to those things being part of their religious beliefs. The soldier does have to get permission and a uniform waiver first but that's never an issue.

I would bet Laren's earring is the same type of thing. She's a contrarian so she probably just never put in the paperwork to get a uniform chit allowing her to wear her earring and the others did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

She was reinstated to active duty after being pardoned for getting 8 people killed. There was a little more to it than never applying for an earring chit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I half remember Worf getting permission on screen. What episode was that?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure he was wearing the sash from his first scene in Encounter at Farpoint.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

You might be right. I was imaging it showed up during the episodes with his brother.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Who says they aren’t to code? Maybe they are allowed to implement accents from their native cultures? I mean we are talking about the “woke” starfleet here.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

In Worf's case, that is actually true. His sash is a culturally significant item for Klingons, displaying his house sigil for example. The same is true for Ro's earrings though. And since Worf got an allowance, Ro should get it, too (which Picard eventually grants. But Worf never got that remark from Riker).
Deanna however just wears civil garments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Does nobody remember Ro's backstory? I feel like I'm losing my mind here.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There also was a bunch of selectivisim going on: by allowing the only klingon in Starfleet, a son of a major house, wearing the sash, and then having him posted prominently on board the bridge of their flagship, was a power move.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Also: officers. Not only officers, but bridge crew officers. Captain + 1. There's more leeway after you've fought your way up the ranks.

I bet Harry Kim was always violating the dress code off screen, and that's why he's the perpetual ensign.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Cptn Janeway: "Ensign Kim, what the hell are you wearing?"

Kim: "Oh these! Tom was telling me about them. They were all the rage in 1900's America and were worn by people seen as both tough and cool. They're called 'Assless Chaps.' I have to admit it was a little weird sitting down at first but I'm a huge fan of the cooling factor!"

Janeway turns to Lt. Paris

Tom's barely contained laughter waters his eyes trying not to lose it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I would like to subscribe to your fanfic

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ensign is an officer rank.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Low ranking officers. OCS cadets are officers. Technically, a staff sergeant with 15 years of career experience has to salute a pimply teen-ager who's still in school. There's a difference; rank and experience means more than whether you have a pip or not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Nog got to wear Ferengi headgear also

[–] DannyBoy 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Suprised nobody's mentioned it yet but Troi's uniform isn't up to code and Jellico made her wear a regulation uniform.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Let's get Captain Ronnie Cox on board, he'll straighten Deanna out

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ro is just a terrible officer is why

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love Ro. She's a great character with based politics.

Terrible officer.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Riker was a Cardasian sympathizer

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ironic considering Tom Riker was Marquis.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I can't blame Tom Riker. He must have had a serious identity crisis on top of feeling that his promotion and life were robbed from him. I'd be bitter too.

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