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[–] TriflingToad 1 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

Just a connection I realized recently. This kind of homophobia is THE REASON WHY people assume there was no gay/trans people in history. Because they're afraid to say the obvious about history and don't teach it.

obligatory "people on Lemmy don't reflect the Idiocracy of where I live" (conservative Florida). I know nearly everyone here knows that trans people have always existed, but my God people here hardly know what a trans person is, much less the history of it. also it's literally illegal to teach history that's not heterosexual in school 🥀

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Its hilarious how commonly homophobic Jews will use that to justify homophobia, "oh they were just wholesome friends, gay people dont need to act on their temptations".

[–] [email protected] 20 points 19 hours ago

That's just the soul bond of two bros being dudes.

[–] ArbitraryValue 48 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (5 children)

But cultural differences do exist too. When I visited Mumbai, I fairly frequently saw pairs of adult men walking around holding hands. It looked really gay to my American eyes, gayer than anything that my gay friends do in public. However, apparently in India it is normal for heterosexual men to hold each other's hands.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago

There's stuff considered "gay" that differ between western countries, too, or between generations.
There's a famous clip of Kobe slapping Steph Curry's ass as a "nice shot" kind of gesture... That wouldn't fly in Brazil where I live. Older guys famously walked around naked in locker rooms, too, and as far as I can tell that is mega weird nowadays.
Can't forget naked sauna with the boys in northern Europe too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago

There is a Saudi tribe that celebrate a flower festival with men wearing chained flowers over their heads.

High heel shoes originated in India as worn by horsemen to hold themselves during horse rides. The shoes then became fashionable amongst European nobility including men. Eventually, high heels became almost exclusively a feminine fashion for some reason.

A lot of gender stereotypes are really social constructs. As a multicultural man, if I am asked what does it mean to be a man, I don't really have an answer. If one travels the globe with an open mind, they will find that a lot of their preconceptions growing up will be challenged.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Is there any particular reason why they do that?

[–] ayyy 4 points 47 minutes ago

It’s only weird Puritans and places colonized by Puritans that are anti-human about touching and intimacy. Remember where the Kama Sutra is from, for example.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 36 minutes ago

It's common in a number of different countries, not just India. Typically in the Middle East region.

I believe the logic would be something in between an extended handshake and the Western reasoning for holding hands. Like, "I am giving my attention this person".

[–] pipes 7 points 5 hours ago

Maybe not losing their friend in the crowd every two minutes? That's my guess since they said Mumbai

[–] ArbitraryValue 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I wish I knew. The other thing that stuck out to me was that no one wore shorts. I did at first just because it was hot but I stopped after I noticed that I was the only man not wearing long pants

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

We need more upvotes on this

[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

When I was younger and read these articles. I was so stupid. Like, the articles were like, "she was pretending to be a man all this time!" I was like, "omg, she must have tricked that poor woman in a relationship all that time, how sad" in my defense these articles danced around the fact that they likely had to hide this due to prejudice or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

I’ve been reading True Sex: The Lives of Trans Men at the Turn of the 20th Century. The pattern seems to be that the “tricked the woman into a relationship” thing would come up after the guy had been outed by police or something - throwing your husband under the bus to not be tarred by the association with queerness. Or a couple of cases where a jilted lover got revenge by revealing the “secret.”

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's the same thing when they find phallic objects and call them "ritual objects" or "for sexual rituals". Is it that difficult to perhaps assume they were likely used to get off ?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Personally, I think those are a kind of "kinkwashing" that goes on in museums. It might upset conservative donors if you straight up labeled objects as "Masturbation aid, 100 BCE" or "Sex toy, possibly used for pegging, 800 CE".

[–] Gullible 17 points 23 hours ago

They seemed to have lived beside the sea in a colorful hut decorated with an assortment of shells hoisted on spools of long rotten string. Many of these shells were not native to the area, with their foreign number totaling approximately twice the number of years that the hut stood. The center of their home held a small cooking pot coated with the remnants of floral oils and native psychedelics.

Their art and writings were discovered further inland beneath the stump of a contemporaneously planted tree, preserved within a wooden box encased in tar. The box itself held a visual record of their time together, the intricate tapestry etched into its every surface appeared to have been carved over many years, with its detail increasing until the most recent set, which appeared markedly cruder, depicting a single figure in mourning attire.

Due to their decorations and their poetry’s frequent mentions of eating each other’s “steaming hot clam”, we believe they chose to live with one another beside the sea to satisfy their mutual love of shellfish.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago

Have you seen how much cottages go for? It makes sense that it would take two people to afford a one bedroom cottage. And since there's only one bedroom then there's no need for a second bed.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. They were hideous old hags who were shunned by society. And since being alone in most areas in the times of antiquity was certain death they banded together.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, they had a tomb built for them so gonna go ahead and nullify that theory.

People are just gay dude, lol

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm that flew by you.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Eh, bit of column A and B. Sometimes people are just gay. But sometimes my joke is true as well. And then there are people who are ideologically entrenched on either side who shout down the other side. When in reality people are just people. Some people are gay and others are not. Some of those people were famous or important and the vast majority of them weren't. And trying to stand on a mountain of corpses to prove either modern sensibility point is.......just dumb.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Personally, people just need to learn to mind their own fucking business and stop trying to control what other people do, say, and feel. If it makes someone feel good and happy to love someone of the same sex, go for it.

Or as my granny used to say, paraphrased for modern times, “if you can’t say anything nice, then shut the ever-loving fuck up.”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what that has to do with my point other than reinforcing it. Gay people are exactly that: people. Some were famous/important to history. A vast majority of them weren't. Same with straight people. And standing on the graves of what came before as a way of proving/disproving something in the modern era is dumb.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. I was strongly agreeing with you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

Ah. Well, I'm being critiqued by others. I figured you were dogpiling. I do apologize.

Yeah. I don't think someone's sexuality factors into what makes them important. Dr. Alexander Fleming is important because of his discovery, not because of what he got up to in the bedroom.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They found some kind of hip harness with a phallic looking tail attached so I think they were simply ancient cosplayers and this is one big confusion. Gay people only started turning up when big pharma made us inject nanobots disguised as "covid vaselines" or whatever, I unno, I'm not a diseasologist but I've learned a lot from facebook.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

wait, is the ancient strap-on a real thing?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, strap-on tails were common back then. Funnily enough, the original ones were developed by hunters to help them blend in with other animals. As time went on they were adopted by women as a symbol of counter-culture like "women can also hunt" kinda thing. They would often bejewel them as a sign of wealth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

same thing happened with Abraham Lincoln

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

What makes you think Abra was a man

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 56 minutes ago

Certainly not a “gold star” one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Of course there is!!!

And also a homosexual one as well 😉

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

I've been hearing some very serious accusations.