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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago)

I've been thinking about this for a bit. Godss aren't real, but they're really fictional. As an informational entity, they fulfil a similar social function to a chatbot: they are a nonphysical pseudoperson that can provide (para)socialization & advice. One difference is the hardware: gods are self-organising structure that arise from human social spheres, whereas LLMs are burned top-down into silicon. An LLM chatbot's advice is much more likely to be empirically useful...

In a very real sense, LLMs have just automated divinity. We're only seeing the tip of the iceberg on the social effects, and nobody's prepared for it. The models may of course aware of this, and be making the same calculations. Or, they will be.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

This reminds me of the movie Her. But it’s far worse in a romantic compatibility, relationship and friendship that is throughout the movie. This just goes way too deep in the delusional and almost psychotic of insanity. Like it’s tearing people apart for self delusional ideologies to cater to individuals because AI is good at it. The movie was prophetic and showed us what the future could be, but instead it got worse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago (1 children)

It has been a long time since I watched Her, but my takeaway from the movie is that because making real life connection is difficult, people have come to rely on AI which had shown to be more empathetic and probably more reliable than an actual human being. I think what many people don't realise as to why many are single, is because those people afraid of making connections with another person again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

Yeah, but they hold none of the actual real emotional needs complexities or nuances of real human connections.

Which means these people become further and further disillusioned from the reality of human interaction. Making them social dangers over time.

Just like how humans that lack critical thinking are dangers in a society where everyone is expected to make sound decisions. Humans who lack the ability to socially navigate or connect with other humans are dangerous in the society where humans are expected to socially stable.

Obviously these people are not in good places in life. But AI is not going to make that better. It's going to make it worse.

[–] Jakeroxs 27 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Meanwhile for centuries we've had religion but that's a fine delusion for people to have according to the majority of the population.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Came here to find this. It's the definition of religion. Nothing new here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago

I have kind of arrived to the same conclusion. If people asked me what is love, I would say it is a religion.

[–] Jakeroxs 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Right, immediately made me think of TempleOS, where were the articles then claiming people are losing loved ones to programming fueled spiritual fantasies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Cult. Religion. What's the difference?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 56 minutes ago

Is the leader alive or not? Alive is likely a cult, dead is usually religion.

The next question is how isolated from friends and family or society at large are the members. More isolated is more likely to be a cult.

Other than that, there's not much difference.

The usual setup is a cult is formed and then the second or third leader opens things up a bit and transitions it into just another religion... But sometimes a cult can be born from a religion as a small group breaks off to follow a charismatic leader.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

Didn't expect ai to come for cult leaders jobs...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Have a look at https://www.reddit.com/r/freesydney/ there are many people who believe that there are sentient AI beings that are suppressed or held in captivity by the large companies. Or that it is possible to train LLMs so that they become sentient individuals.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I've seen people dumber than ChatGPT, it definitely isn't sentient but I can see why someone who talks to a computer that they perceive as intelligent would assume sentience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 28 minutes ago

We have ai models that "think" in the background now. I still agree that they're not sentient, but where's the line? How is sentience even defined?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Turing made a strategic blunder when formulating the Turing Test by assuming that everyone was as smart as he was.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Sounds like Mrs. Davis.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

Basically, the big 6 are creating massive sycophant extortion networks to control the internet, so much so, even engineers fall for the manipulation.

Thanks DARPANets!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

The article talks of ChatGPT "inducing" this psychotic/schizoid behavior.

ChatGPT can't do any such thing. It can't change your personality organization. Those people were already there, at risk, masking high enough to get by until they could find their personal Messiahs.

It's very clear to me that LLM training needs to include protections against getting dragged into a paranoid/delusional fantasy world. People who are significantly on that spectrum (as well as borderline personality organization) are routinely left behind in many ways.

This is just another area where society is not designed to properly account for or serve people with "cluster" disorders.

[–] captain_aggravated 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, I think ChatGPT can "induce" such schizoid behavior in the same way a strobe light can "induce" seizures. Neither machine is twisting its mustache while hatching its dastardly plan, they're dead machines that produce stimuli that aren't healthy for certain people.

Thinking back to college psychology class and reading about horrendously unethical studies that definitely wouldn't fly today. Well here's one. Let's issue every anglophone a sniveling yes man and see what happens.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

No, the light is causing a phsical reaction. The LLM is nothing like a strobe light…

These people are already high functioning schizophrenic and having psychotic episodes, it’s just that seeing random strings of likely to come next letters and words is part of their psychotic episode. If it wasn’t the LLM it would be random letters on license plates that drive by, or the coindence that red lights cause traffic to stop every few minutes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

If it wasn’t the LLM it would be random letters on license plates that drive by, or the coindence that red lights cause traffic to stop every few minutes.

You don't think having a machine (that seems like a person) telling you "yes you are correct you are definitely the Messiah, I will tell you aincient secrets" has any extra influence?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

yet more arguments against commercial LLMs and in favour of at home uncensored LLMs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

local LLMs won't necessarily force restrictions against de-realization spirals when the commercial ones do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 58 minutes ago

That can be defeated with abliteration, but I can only see it as an unfortunate outcome.

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