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I use Ubuntu btw. Poweroff could use more write cycles on the SSD because it has to read everything at startup, but suspend has to keep supplying power to the RAM

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I rip the plug out of the wall without warning. Gotta keep your machines on their toes or they'll get too comfortable and start plotting against you.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago

Else it gets the cord again

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I've had to start counseling sessions with my MongoDB. It thinks I'm conducting stress tests, but really I'm just maintaining discipline.

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[–] napkin2020 3 points 2 days ago

Server: Not once I have used anything else than reboot.

Desktop: Whatever happens when I close the lid.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What is power...off?

Like back in the 90s??

[–] zaphodb2002 39 points 4 days ago (3 children)

You guys are turning off your computers?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I am trying to be more energy conscious so I've been turning mine off more as of late, but ya in the past I typically left my machine up for 7 - 14 days and only power off/reboot after updating.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

My laptop, I'd just suspend to RAM, unless I was going somewhere without it for a couple of days or more.

The desktop is always on. The monitors suspend, but everything else is sucking power. I expect with frequency scaling, it's not as bad as it used to be, but then, in ye oelden days I didn't do nightly backups to the cloud and disc, or sync data between servers and run other odd, automated jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Depends.

My desktop gets powered off because I don't use it often and it sucks a lot of energy and is loud.

My Steam Deck gets suspended when I'm not using it because that's usually in the middle of a game and I don't want to hear the game sounds all the time or accidentally do something.

My laptop is running 24/7. At night I use it to listen to science videos to help me sleep. And in the day I watch stupid YouTube videos to help me cope with life.

[–] Pika 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not to mention the steam deck has a weird bug on it that if you leave it powered off for too long, for some reason it decides to just not turn on anymore unless you hook it to power. Super annoying because it will turn on and say something like 80 or 90% power, but the button won't actually boot the system unless it has a power hookup. I've on a few occasions had to use reverse power charge from my phone to the deck to trick it into booting on the go. Once you hear the beep saying its turning on you can unplug it. Weirdest thing

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I think that has something to do with battery storage mode flipping on iirc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Just chiming in to point out that powering off and then starting back up won't cause any additional SSD wear, reading from flash memory doesn't use up write cycles* (because there is no writing going on!). In fact, regularly restarting could be slightly more friendly for your SSD, because the /tmp directory, old log files, etc. get deleted on startup, freeing up the storage blocks used by the deleted files so that the SSD can use them for its internal wear balancing.

*technically, flash memory reads do very slightly degrade the data being read, but this effect is absolutely negligible compared to other forms of passive bit rot in flash memory and is basically irrelevant unless you're intentionally trying to corrupt data using reads (which won't happen because the flash controller will fix it before it becomes corrupt to the point of being illegible)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I always power off any computers that I won't be using anymore for the day. Be it desktops or laptops. My parents always taught me that leaving devices on (or even connected to power) when not using them was a fire hazard. Although I think it's a bit overblown, powering off anything I don't need has stuck as a habit and I see no reason to change it. With SSDs the startup time had become fast enough to make me stop caring. The wear and tear on the SSD is also not that big of an issue. My laptop and its SSD are from 2014 and have been subjected to the worst of my programming abilities, yet they still function fine.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even without considering any firehazard I simply enjoy starting from a clean slate every time I start a pc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah that as well. Same with my browser. I tend to configure my browser such that it clears all open tabs when closed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I poweroff. I have enough time to let it turn on and can save some energy. (Electricity is getting even more expensive)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Power off to get the full security benefits of disk encryption.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

y'all been powering down your systems?

had my servers up for like a decade or more...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Dude has that 10 year uptime

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago

Power off because it boots in under a minute

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Power off because usually when I turn my laptop off, I'm going to be keeping it off for a long enough period of time that suspend would just not be worth the battery drain.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm in the habit of powering off so that if my laptop is lost or stolen I will have the peace of mind of my data being in an encrypted state.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

whatever happens when I click shut off or the power button on my pc

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Nearly always suspend. It just works for me and I've never had issues (Arch and Pop). I rarely, rarely have power outages so the end result is the same.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

Power-off.

The read-weakening has almost no effect, and I like a clean boot.

Also it cleans up memory, modern kernels are good, I'm used to old OS's that leaked memory like a sieve.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I'm lazy and use systemctl poweroff! 😆

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

I power it off to save electricity

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I just keep my laptop on for weeks on end, until the kernel updates or something else that needs a restart, last 6 months I prob only turned it off 7 times.

And no, I don't really feel any effects cause it's linux which doesm't get clogged up like windows and power usage just idling is the same as just suspending.

Also personally don't use stuff like suspend or hibernate ever. Even have them completely disabled on my systems.

Note: I'm on nixos not ubuntu tho.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I definitely shut down my systems from time to time just to make sure my network is configured correctly and shit doesn't go haywire because I'd rather have that happen than the power go out and everything comes crashing down

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Suspend. The amount of power required to keep RAM alive is negligent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Suspend. The amount of power required to keep RAM alive is negligent.

I believe, based on context, that you mean to use the word “negligible.” The sentence means the opposite of what you intended it to mean if you use “negligent.” As in, “It would be negligent to waste that much power.”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I agree with negligent! Using suspend to ram for extended periods, eg nightly or over weekend will kill your battery life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Depends on your setup :) My PC pulls somewhere around 80W just for RAM.

(tested by comparing the idle power draw with only one DIMM installed vs all of them)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Power off unless I'll be using it again soon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I could care less about the 5 cycles from 10.000.000 total cycles (dunno the actual number) at least for my desktop.
As for my proxmox server: 5% wearout

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Power off because I don't know when I'll be back. If I know I'm back in a few minutes or an hour? That shit stays on.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

I close the lid and don't give a damn what happens.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I use the hybrid: suspend to ram, then after 2 hours, automatically suspend to disk - in the final state it uses zero power. And, if you have encrypted your drive (you DO encrypt your drives, right?!) then you need to enter passphrase on resume from hibernate, so safer if device was nicked.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

To be honest the experience over multiple laptops and multiple Linux distributions with regards to suspend or hibernate has been absolutely terrible for me. I now set my browser to remember all my tabs and simply shut down my machine when I'm not issuing it. It starts up in 30 seconds or less which is maybe 15 seconds more than waking from suspend or hibernate and it's not likely to break or require complicated set up.

🤷

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I suspend so I don't have to wait for stuff to load up on boot

[–] WhyJiffie 5 points 4 days ago

I suspend it, until I get around to set up hybernation. I don't care about startup time. I care about all the windows being there exactly as I left them, without exception.

[–] Pika 6 points 4 days ago (4 children)

With how fast boot times are nowadays? I shutdown nightly and save me the hassle of having to worry about some weird oddity occurring, usually it doesn't but every once and a blue moon plasma hangs on the lockscreen and I get greeted with either a broken desktop or a pitch black screen, both usually are easiest to resolve via rebooting anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Maybe cause I'm old but boot times are so quick if I need to move i just shutdown throw it in my backpack and go. I don't want it on in any fashion while in my bag and hibernating to disk means all my shell sessions and anything else disconnected anyhow.

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