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[–] kersploosh 234 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Relevant quote from St. Basil:

"Who is the covetous man? One for whom plenty is not enough. Who is the defrauder? One who takes away what belongs to everyone. And are not you covetous, are you not a defrauder, when you keep for private use what you were given for distribution? When some one strips a man of his clothes we call him a thief. And one who might clothe the naked and does not—should not he be given the same name?

The bread in your hoard belongs to the hungry; the cloak in your wardrobe belongs to the naked; the shoes you let rot belong to the barefoot; the money in your vaults belongs to the destitute. All you might help and do not—to all these you are doing wrong"

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’

Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

I have always loved how simply Jesus spells it out.

As a kid, I always felt it was so implausible that the Jews would kill Jesus. Yes he claims to be God, which is a no-no, but how can a message of peace and love be so divisive? As an adult, I've come to realize that it's divisive to people who are angry and filled with hate, to people who hate peace and love. The Pharisees of 30CE are the exact same as most Christians today. If you walked in to some Trump country Baptist church today and flipped over the collection plates and told everyone there they were going to hell because the want to deport immigrants instead of help them, you'd be shot for sure.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

you’d be shot for sure

Do you think it's a coincidence that MLK was only shot once he started speaking out against the rich and unifying the lower class (of all races)? I'm not saying there was a conspiracy (though I wouldn't rule it out) or that MLK was the second coming or a prophet, but it's pretty clear he started making the ruling class nervous once he started talking about class war.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's always a good time to remind people that MLK's family proved in civil court that the government killed MLK (either through intent or negligence) to enough of a degree that the judge was convinced and awarded them restitution on the charges. And the only reason that the case didn't go to a criminal court was because every judge who read the case refused it.

[–] skulblaka 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hell we have a copy of the letter the FBI sent to Dr. King instructing him to kill himself and save them the trouble.

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[–] ArbitraryValue 123 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah but he also said to love each other, and people quickly realized that he was wrong.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago

And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change...

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You know, I'm something of a leftist myself.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's not Jesus, that's Willem Dafriend.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago

You know, I'm something of a saint myself

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't know where that candid jesus image is from but it has so much Dicaprio Raising Drink energy that if it hasn't been memed already then it should

[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Pretty sure that is Willem Dafoe from The Last Temptation of Christ.

And yeah, it has Buddy Christ energy.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago

He's something of a messiah, himself.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I know there were a lot of things about Last Temptation that were very difficult for a lot of people to cope with, but to me the most challenging thing is Willem Defoe as Jesus H. Christ.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] WoodScientist 68 points 1 week ago (11 children)

There are no moral billionaires. Rich men do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. There are no billionaires in Paradise. In the end, every last one of them burns.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately they’re doing their best to burn the rest of us in this life.

[–] WoodScientist 15 points 1 week ago

They instinctively know where they belong, so they spend their entire lives trying to bring Hell to Earth.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"It is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is to pass a camel through the eye of a needle."

[–] WoodScientist 30 points 1 week ago

It's amazing to me what logical acrobatics people will go to in order to avoid the simple plain meaning of this passage. The truth is Jesus was a poor person who hung out with other poor people and social rejects of all kinds. He was canonically born in a barn...for Christ's sake! To me, the message of Christ is quite unambiguous. Rich people go to Hell, same as murderers, rapists, etc. Being rich is a mortal sin. If you hoard enough wealth for a thousand lifetimes, sorry, you're going to the Pit. There's no way you can obtain that wealth except through the mass exploitation of the work of others. If you're a billionaire, and if there is a Hell, you're going there.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

In the end, every last one of them burns.

If there was a just god, they would all burn. But if there was a just god, they wouldn't get to be billionaires in the first place. Billionaires aren't worried about hell or the afterlife because most of them know deep down that there will be no repercussions for their unethical behavior.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

WWJD?

Get apprehended and sent to a gulag in El Salvador.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

It’s funny you mention that because as I was reading the story of Garcia yesterday I couldn’t help but see parallels to the whole back-and-forth that happens to Jesus after His arrest. An innocent man yanked around by an unjust system.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago

Jesus is looking friendly, but also like he could totally go crazy and flip a money lenders table. It's hard to tell if he is dafriend or dafoe.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Jesus was a socialist

This is a reminder there is no such thing as a “Christian” just people who pretend to be so they have an excuse to act unchristian like towards anyone they envy.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I was raised conservative Christian and I lost my faith in university. You're 100% right but I sometimes feel a strong urge to "convert" back but only practice the cool parts. Like I'd one-up christians and quote Jesus' most socialist verses at them. Maybe start a Facebook page about how the NT has been corrupted in this modern day, conspiracy-theorist style, but the hidden message is just Marxism.

I feel like somebody out there has embodied that, and I'd like to give them space to reclaim the word Christian for themself at least.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Jesus was a socialist

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (28 children)

no such thing as a “Christian”

Huh?

Another socialist Christian a little more recent than Jesus: you might remember Dr. King. Christianity deserves much more criticism and this is an absolutely correct criticism towards most people who profess to be Christians.

But speaking so absolutely usually means you're wrong. There are plenty of Christians who actually follow Christ and are working to make the world better.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I don't know who Colin Bodayle is, but from the responses he got from his students I think he is located in the US. There is rot in the US culture that's too deep, Trump is just it surfacing. Greed, individualism and selfishness are considered virtues, I noticed it when talking to coworkers there through the years. If Jesus ever went to the US he'd be crucified that is if he wasn't arrested at the border by ICE for being a Palestinian. The US claims to be a Christian nation, yet it is the furthest from it. What good is your religion if it doesn't make you do good? What good is your religion if it doesn't make you overcome your selfishness and greed?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also worth noting that the US is not and never has been a "Christian nation." Not only did the Founding Fathers specifically separate church and state for that reason, but they also didn't declare a national religion and enshrined religious freedom as well for that same reason. Plus, half of them were agnostic or atheists. Anybody who says we're a "Christian nation" is just using religion as an excuse for bigotry.

If God truly exists, he more so loves the atheist who questions the world around him than the Christian who blindly follows.

-Thomas Jefferson

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's the fruit of almost a century of anti-communist propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

According to the internets, "Liberation Theology" is a Christian movement that started in Latin America in the 1960s, that preaches against oppression. They sound like the opposite of right-wing "Christians".

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[–] RowRowRowYourBot 38 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Christ's teachings were an inspiration to Marx

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Remember that the louder the Christian the less Christian they actually are.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m going to say this as a priest ordained in Christ’s One, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church (Episcopal branch): that choice of Jesus image is chef’s kiss

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is one of those shadow boxing christians threads. Yeah, maybe you all look cool in the mirror but they're going to wake up tomorrow with no idea you insulted their entire belief structure.

Don't get me wrong. I loved it when my dad asked, "when did you stop being christian" because I vehemently am against his every belief. I loved turning the tables on him and asking the same with regards to everything trump has said and done. End of the day though he'll just go back to his hidey hole, and myself too.

If you have religious friend you should try it. Call them on trumps shit and the when they invoke god, which they always do, ask, "who's god" because Jesus doesn't want this shit.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Real Marxists know Marx didn't morally condemn the rich. He wanted the workers to take hold of the productive forces created under capitalism and organize it under a rational basis.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yup. The great issue with capitalism, is that it wasn't formally designed to enrich society as a whole. It merely is an upgraded iteration of feudalism. You can give a pig a top hat and monocle, but it is still a pig.

We will need a new Constitution, one built to acknowledge that Economics is power. The framers addressed politics and violence, but overlooked the fundamental impact that money has on society. Floors and ceilings on wealth should be implemented, so that the likes of Musk or Trump cannot exist.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does anyone have that slide deck? Asking for a friend

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Weird how kings re-writing the Bible over and over again for thousands of years got rid of all the good stuff and left all the horrible shit....

[–] TriflingToad 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I mean, it still has the good stuff. Churches just focus on the parts that blame the working class.

I started going to a progressive church (mainly bc my dad made me lol) and it's SO INTERESTING learning about how the Bible is literally just the most basic "be nice to each other, you dumbasses" and people will take it and start beating each other over it

A few weeks ago they had the head of the local mosque to talk about Palestine along with an Activist that visited there. It was mainly educational where you could ask questions and stuff.

I personally am not particularly religious in the idea that God personally effects everything but it's damn neat once you stop nitpicking every little thing like other churches and look with an open mind.

For example, the first depiction of a baptism in the new testament was someone who didn't fit in the binary man/woman social standards. He (iirc) had his balls removed for religious reasons. The proper 'old testament' way of getting baptized wouldn't let him in, so they went to a river instead. Most churches tell it like this, but you can interpret it as the new testament is open to people outside the social rules (specifically gender) and is saying to accept all.

Probably not 100% accurate as I'm telling a retelling that I forgot part of (thanks, ADHD) but that's just an example.

I really don't feel too strongly about religion though. I don't want to sound like a full Bible supporter in every way, ethics and just being nice are way more important than what an old book says to me.
I was essentially shoved through a normal church and learned to shut it all out as... trans ..., but it's been super cool to learn about how its not what conservatives say it is.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Oh man! I want that presentation for an Easter dinner I have coming up!

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[–] Tomassci 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Capitalism makes us worship capital so we cannot worship God and then blames it on LGBT.

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