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[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

My friend was unable to update to windows 11 due to the TPM requirements and looking to switch to linux. I upgraded my CPU and said they should buy my old one. They finally said OK and asked if I could help them install it before they switched to Linux. I installed the CPU and they never switched to Linux because now they have a CPU that meets the TPM requirements.

Windows users really hate change. Microsoft will force them to update and the users will whine but 1 week later they will be used to it then they will stick on windows 11 till EoL.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Can’t upgrade because my 4 years old mobo is apparently too old (haven’t checked out the workarounds yet). Installed Linux Mint to give it a try and I am positively surprised so far.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Never again, bye Microsoft Windows 😁 Hi GNU/Linux my new friend.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm using 10+ years old hardware, Microsoft has already told me I can't upgrade, followed by several messages asking me to upgrade...

In other news, Linux Mint works nice and I just need to check Protondb to get Warframe running at frames per second and not seconds per frame

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I thought I read some time ago that Windoze 10 would be the last version of Windoze ever...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

i remember it as "the last version of windows you'll ever need" and they were absolutely correct.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Well, it can be the last version of Windows for you. 🙂

Ubuntu is nice. I use it daily. Others in my family too. And there are other options too. I hear Mint is nice though I haven't used it much.

Give it some thought. 🙂

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah I remember thr same thing. Everything else was suppose to be a package update.

But back-end technology and usage expectations change, and there's a limit to what front-end changes an existing user tolerates. That was never a promise they could keep.

It has lasted a really long time, though. I don't decry 11 existing. I'm upset they're sunsetting 10 without giving us a chance to wait for 11 to get better, let alone for 'oops we fixed the fuckups' W12.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I got ahead of the game a little bit by switching to Linux in 2008.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I finally committed to Linux at the end of last year. Enough is working to make it preferable to Windows now. I'm still having a lot of bugs, and it's costing quite some time. But at least my computer is mine again. No more telemetry, ads, and UIs that treat me like a toddler. No more updates forced onto me instead of being done whenever I want it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Me too. Most things just work for me BTW. Laptop battery went from 4 hours to 10+, with better performance too. But most important for me is privacy, which is way better/easier to manage in Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Already on Linux. And proud.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Already switched to Nobara. Only have Windows dual boot because Space Engineers Multiplayer doesn't seem to work on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Been perfectly happy with Nobara. Windows is dead to me and I'm free from my League addiction.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I think I will switch to Linux, possibly dual boot with Win 11 just in case there are games I can't play on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I want to move to Linux, but I need to be able to use the VPN service my work uses and I'm just not sure how to get it working on Linux. I should just dual boot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Without prodding too much into what VPN you work uses

Most VPN solutions run on linux just fine, even Microsoft PPTP VPN solution works fine. I would probably check with your IT department what protocol they use and any connection caveats (like machine certificates used for authentication) and look into the different VPN solutions (some examples; WireGuard and OpenVPN are very well supported, IPSec (libreswan or strongswan are options here) depends on setup, PPTP/L2TP should work with most setups (I have to admin I havn't touched those enough), vpnc works with Cisco base IPsec setups and openconnect works with most SSL VPN connection)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's Watchguard. Though looking at their site, it seems like there might be support that I wasn't able to find last time I looked into this. Definitely want to dual boot at some point. I've got a Surface Book 3 though, and I know it needs special kernel stuff to get working properly, so I'd almost rather just wait until my boss retires and everyone's out of a job to dive into Linux. Easier than finding spare time in my life. Living the dream

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have not any experience with WatchGuard, but it from some quick searching around it seems to not be far from the easiest to set up for linux. dual-booting is probably the easier solution.

I hope you find a solution to what sounds like not the best life situation, and may you have an otherwise have a nice Linux journey.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Sorry for that, it gets hard sometimes when I start accidentally living the examined life for a second

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Dual-booting was how I first got into Linux; it truly leaves open the ability to keep everything you're worried about not having.

What's the VPN?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I won't be doing pretty much anything about it. I have 10 pro, I don't really give a shit about what Microsoft thinks I should do. My computer is behind a firewall, and bluntly, it'll be a while before the security issues become such a problem that I need to go and upgrade.

However. I already did the legwork. I went out and upgraded the hardware TPM 1.2 in my system to TPM 2.0, and I picked up some (relatively cheap) Windows 11 pro product keys. I can upgrade if I want.

I also have access to W10 LTSC, so I can always pivot to that if I need to.

I get the security and other concerns with Windows 10. I do, but the windows 11 changes, to me seem like they're changes for the sake of things being changed. Windows 10's user experience was already quite good, apart from the fact that every feature release seemed to have the settings moved to a different location (see above about making changes for the sake of making changes). IMO, as a professional sysadmin and IT support, the interface and UX changes have made Windows, as a product, worse; it is by far the worst part of the upgrade process and I don't know why they thought any of it was a good idea. I also hate what M$ has done with printers, but I won't get started on that right now.

For all the nitpicking I could do, Windows was, for all intents and purposes, exactly what it needed to be, between Windows 7 and 10. There hasn't been any meaningful progress in the OS that's mattered since x86-64 support was added. Windows 10 32 bit was extremely rare, I don't think I ever saw it (where W7 was a mixed bag of 32/64 bit). Having almost everyone standardized on 64 bit, and Windows 10, gave a predictability that is needed in most businesses. The professional products should not follow the same trends as the home products. If they want to put AI shovelware and ads into the home products, fine. Revamp the vast majority of the control panel into the settings menu, sure. But leave the business products as-is. By far the most problems that people have with Windows 11 that I hear about, relate to how everything changes/looks different, and/or having problems navigating the "new look" or whatever the fuck.

Microsoft: you had a good thing with Windows 10, and you pissed it all away when you put out the crap that is Windows 11.

Stop moving shit around, making controls less useful, and stop making it look like the UX was designed by a 10 year old. Fuck off.

[–] lka1988 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Microsoft: you had a good thing with Windows <previous version>, and you pissed it all away when you put out the crap that is Windows <new version>.

Ftfy.

That said, there is something to be said for how popular Windows is, and the modifications and QoL improvements offered by 3rd party devs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I hear what you're saying, but, there have been some pretty significant improvements to Windows, generation after generation.

Windows 10 finally seemed like they were on the right (and hopefully final) track with the direction of the operating system. Probably the last big improvement was to bring basically everyone to 64 bit.

XP moved us from the 9x kernel to the NT kernel that's used in Windows today. Vista introduced security features and driver updates that help to keep systems free from many common root kits. 7 brought in a very standard UI, that would be the basis for things going forward, 8/8.1 existed..... Then 10 basically uplifted everyone to 64 bit as a default.

Of course this is far from a complete list.

What did W11 add that we didn't have before? A TPM requirement? Ads? AI slop/shovelware/spyware?

[–] lka1988 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

You're not wrong, and I agree in that it feels like W10 is where MS finally got it right.

However, hindsight is 20/20, and those sentiments were definitely not felt in the first few years after W10 was released. Once all the big issues were worked out and people figured out how to remove the bloat/spyware shit though, it was a solid OS. I still run it on my gaming PC (for now - tested some crucial programs last night on my laptop running LMDE6, great success)

What did W11 add that we didn’t have before? A TPM requirement? Ads? AI slop/shovelware/spyware?

W11 right now is essentially a shitty skin on top of W10, with all that extra shit. The kernel is still version 10.x.whatever FFS 😅. But SHINY INTERFACE and ONEDRIVE

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

too late already did switch to linux :3

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I switched to linux full time almost a year ago.

I have been thus far entirely unsuccessful in convincing anyone else to make the jump. Normal people do not give a fuck, will not lift a finger to improve their digital lives. I've been telling friends and family about adblockers for YEARS, and not a single one ever bothered to do it of their own volition. If I don't do it for them, then they just sit through ads like complacent sheep. None of them are going to change operating systems if they can't even install a browser extension.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And 25% of users in Asia still use Windows 7. People are going to stay on the OS for as long as possible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If only we had a reason to upgrade.
Instead, we have many reasons not to.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I run Fedora KDE now, but I’m going to keep my Windows 10 install on Windows 10.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No complaints about Fedora KDE specifically. I've had it on my spare laptop since version 30 or so. Desktop is on 41 now. The only "issues" I've had running this full-time is lack of support for Fidelity Active Trader Pro (which kinda sucks anyway), I haven't been able to make my bluetooth shipping label printer work yet, and I haven't gotten my Logi MX Keys / Master S mouse working as it works in Logi Options (on windows or mac) to switch over to my work mac as intended. Otherwise, I prefer it to other distros I've used.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the feedback - currently weighing up disros (was thinking mint, but a few folks have praised fedora KDE based distros now).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

My Windows 10 PC's only function at this point is to play FFXIV in my living room, so I'm not super worried about viruses or anything.

But maybe eventually I'll switch to Linux on that box and do that weird set-up to get FFXIV running there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Why is Bill Gates in the picture? lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Most problems people have with Linux, I think, come from trying to be Linux power users from the start by performing very advanced techniques beyond their time and patience: dual booting multiple operating systems (so they don't have to buy Linux-dedicated hardware), using any graphics card (the latest and greatest GPUs are all closed source and developers who work on Linux do so because they despise closed source), using the least expensive hardware (which are typically closed source and buggy with anything except Windows), and emulating Windows apps so they don't have to learn new workflows or abandon their favorite games (technically, Proton with Steam allows Windows games like FFXIV to be played, but it's a neverending journey to get it working and keeping it working.

If you switch to Linux, accept that for a smooth experience you'll have to pay more than you would for a Windows machine (e.g. System76, Framework) And if you want graphics card support for your emulated Windows games on Steam, you're going to have to use the specific flavor of Linux the manufacturer supports.

That said, if you value free/libre open source software, then making the switch from Windows is totally worth it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

New GPUs don’t work on Linux? Where did you get that idea from?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Why Gates in the picture tough?

He stepped down as a chairman over 10 years ago and didint he leave the microsoft board like 5 years ago?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Just imagine 43 % market share in the next hardware survey.

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